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Meeplelowda
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Silene wrote: 07 December 2024, 17:12
Meeplelowda wrote: 06 December 2024, 22:29
JoysJoy wrote: 06 December 2024, 17:26Nobody can stop the flag of their country from being next to their name when they play a game.
They actually can by setting their country to "unknown" (or any other country for that matter) using the Your Country setting in the My Profile tab of Preferences. How that gets initially set I don't know, but it can definitely be changed. But your other points are still valid and it shouldn't matter whether someone can change their flag.
I tried to set my country to unknown. But it doesn't stick. Whenever I log off for any reason (like deleting cookies etc.), and re-login, my country is set back to germany. So please be aware that not everyone having their flag shown, does so voluntarily.
Having it revert is involuntary. Leaving it is voluntary.

But as I said it's beside the point. No one should feel pressured to change their flag if they don't want to.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Meeplelowda wrote: 08 December 2024, 04:02
Silene wrote: 07 December 2024, 17:12
Meeplelowda wrote: 06 December 2024, 22:29
They actually can by setting their country to "unknown" (or any other country for that matter) using the Your Country setting in the My Profile tab of Preferences. How that gets initially set I don't know, but it can definitely be changed. But your other points are still valid and it shouldn't matter whether someone can change their flag.
I tried to set my country to unknown. But it doesn't stick. Whenever I log off for any reason (like deleting cookies etc.), and re-login, my country is set back to germany. So please be aware that not everyone having their flag shown, does so voluntarily.
Having it revert is involuntary. Leaving it is voluntary.
Bit of an overhead having to navigate back to profile-settings every week or so. I voluntarily gave up on that, yes ;)
But as I said it's beside the point. No one should feel pressured to change their flag if they don't want to.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Silene wrote: 07 December 2024, 17:12
Meeplelowda wrote: 06 December 2024, 22:29
JoysJoy wrote: 06 December 2024, 17:26Nobody can stop the flag of their country from being next to their name when they play a game.
They actually can by setting their country to "unknown" (or any other country for that matter) using the Your Country setting in the My Profile tab of Preferences. How that gets initially set I don't know, but it can definitely be changed. But your other points are still valid and it shouldn't matter whether someone can change their flag.
I tried to set my country to unknown. But it doesn't stick. Whenever I log off for any reason (like deleting cookies etc.), and re-login, my country is set back to germany. So please be aware that not everyone having their flag shown, does so voluntarily.
Same. So I just opted for Antarctica. ;)
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Thanks for the reply.

The second section confuses me. The flag I have used for my icon/profile picture is the Maltese, although the Danish is of course displayed along with my username.

The "conversion" is not changing nationality or religion. That would be a bit absurd. :) What I have experienced at an unpleasantly high frequency is that when someone from the place in question AND someone from particular other countries is there, it could end up in big discussions along the line of "your media isn't telling the truth", "my country was right to do this and that", "we were attacked first", etc. Naturally, it's not something that is guaranteed to happen (or anything close to that), but it has happened enough times that it now generates concern, which isn't exactly my idea of having fun.

I'm already using red (and green for the polite users) thumbs frequently. Maybe it's sufficient that people can get an explanation if they bother checking my profile.

Feel free to refer to this post.

JoysJoy wrote: 06 December 2024, 16:58 You already have an entire paragraph on your profile talking about this, if they care to look. You don’t need to do more.

I do find it suspicious that your icon looks a lot like the Denmark flag, yet you still complain about others doing the same thing: displaying the idea of their flags

And I truly don’t understand what you mean by someone being able to “convert you “by showing their flag. You can’t be converted into a Russian or a Chinese. You either are or you aren’t a citizen of that country. I have never had anybody ever ever ever put anything religious in any chat to try to convert me to their beliefs. And I have played well over 6000 games here just like you. I would imagine if it was a big problem on this website. I would’ve run into it at least once by now.

But either way this is your problem, not theirs. I don’t think this is a rational reason to kick somebody out of a game. And that would be why it would upset other people. People don’t like being discriminated against. It makes no sense to some people.

However, you figured out to not let them play games with you to fix it on your side. That fixes it for you and not speaking to the other people about it makes it a little step less worse for them.

What else can you do?
1) Add a red thumbs down to those that you boot. So that you don’t have to click them out again. No conundrum in yourself anymore about not telling.
2) Start friending people that you do want to play with so you don’t have to go through so many random people every time you want a game. Pre-choose your players rather than asking for random people to play
3) Create your own interest group. You could call it the “no flags allowed” group and only those without flags as icons can play in your group. Maybe you aren’t alone? (but you would have to change your own icon to fit into your own group at that point)
4) Add the extension that lets you block all chat. Then you don’t have to worry about whoever you’re playing trying to “convert you “ (I still don’t understand what you mean by that comment). I think this extension causes all kinds of other troubles for people, but at least you wouldn’t have the problem of what anybody says in the chat causing you mental anguish.

But I think this is a valuable explanation for the many many other threads where people say ‘why am I just kicked out of games? Why would anybody do that to somebody else? I don’t understand why this is happening to me?’

Now we know that sometimes it is simply a personal, emotional issue on the side of the person kicking people out. That they have something going on in their own heads that they attach randomly to other people based on symbols or thoughts and feelings at the moment.

it both is and isn’t personal against other players when you do it. I hope I can remember to find this thread for the next time we get yet another question here about where someone asks why they have been randomly kicked out at the start of a game.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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I'm puzzled as to why it's perceived as complaining.
Rest assured, that if Malta becomes a totalitarian dictatorship with little or no room for difference of opinion, it would certainly change my feelings about the flag I use considerably. Somehow I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon, though.
JohnnyCyclops wrote: 06 December 2024, 17:50 Someone actively choosing to use a national flag (Malta) for their profile picture is not on strong ground to then complain that BGA imposes flag icons against all players, whether or not those players desire to have a flag associated with them.
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Re: How to avoid drama

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I guess my profile was updated not long after one of these bad experiences. :-)
Maybe it's phrased too strongly. Removed, at least until I find a better way of expressing it.
Kayvon wrote: 07 December 2024, 01:41 Using CSS to hide all flags would be a perfect solution for you. It avoids drama and lets everyone enjoy the game.
Malta1978 wrote: 06 December 2024, 11:00 I just can't handle playing with such flags present. Please respect that and don't bother trying to convert me. I believe in boring things like science, facts and honesty and that's not going to change.
Might I suggest that you could avoid drama by not insulting people who honestly feel differently than you? Even people with other opinions still believe in science, still believe in facts, and are honest. Assuming evil motives invites drama and arguments.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Malta1978 wrote: 10 December 2024, 22:44 I'm puzzled as to why it's perceived as complaining.
Rest assured, that if Malta becomes a totalitarian dictatorship with little or no room for difference of opinion, it would certainly change my feelings about the flag I use considerably. Somehow I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon, though.
JohnnyCyclops wrote: 06 December 2024, 17:50 Someone actively choosing to use a national flag (Malta) for their profile picture is not on strong ground to then complain that BGA imposes flag icons against all players, whether or not those players desire to have a flag associated with them.
Flags are nationalist symbols.
Flags are a source of pride and identity.
Both statements are true.

Honestly, I’d leave flags at the BGA door. I don’t focus on other players’ location flags other than for a vague sense of time zones for gameplay purposes. I’ve also never got into any sort of political argument here but YMMV.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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JohnnyCyclops wrote: 10 December 2024, 23:15I’ve also never got into any sort of political argument here but YMMV.
That's because you don't bring it up at all (which you shouldn't), but apparently the OP does.
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Re: Avoiding drama, but also moderation?

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Meeplelowda wrote: 10 December 2024, 23:26
JohnnyCyclops wrote: 10 December 2024, 23:15I’ve also never got into any sort of political argument here but YMMV.
That's because you don't bring it up at all (which you shouldn't), but apparently the OP does.
Well, I am too polite to mention.
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Re: How to avoid drama

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Malta1978 wrote: 10 December 2024, 22:55 I guess my profile was updated not long after one of these bad experiences. :-)
Maybe it's phrased too strongly. Removed, at least until I find a better way of expressing it.
Respect. I appreciate that you're earnestly avoiding conflict.
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