Crows

[Ninchik12]

Can we get an option to remove crows as well, pretty please?

[roguedeckbuilder]

2nd this. They have to have the data by now. Crows are backbreaking, although not as unbeatable as the OG banned cards there is often little that can be done to beat a 1st round crow.

I am really hoping for a Wingspan Remastered edition to come out in the future. I think crows can be rebalanced to have their points reduces or simply only holding 1 egg instead of 2. That would require a bit more investment and proper placement to fully utilize them in the Grassland.

Wingspan is a great game with surprising a lot of depth and strategy (especially 2 player where I think it is even more underrated). But man, some of the cards are painfully useless as well as many of the bonuses not being balanced. I am not saying we should balance every card so there is no good or bad cards, however a slight rebalance would take away some of the unnecessary variance.

[zaperok0]

Crows are beatable mate I don't understand why you would like to get rid of them

[detlefchef11]

While they are certainly among the most coveted birds in the Arena setting, I don't think they or any of the other best birds remaining after the big 5 are removed break the game. I mean, I suppose it would be fine as an option, but i would be very annoyed if they were removed for arena

[PaulB-UK]

I love a crow, they're definitely great birds, but they're not automatic wins in and of themselves.

That contrasts to when the Wood Duck was in arena - it was pretty much an instant win!

[JWelk]

Recently got a crow as my first bird played. Didn't manage to pick up any other good egg row cards and couldn't get a cohesive action strategy going. Lost by a few points. Crows are good, and very good in a strong egg action row complimented by other birds, but not unbeatable

[KoalaFox]

they're not automatic wins in and of themselves.

The issue isn't if they are a 100% winrate. What is the cutoff for considering a bird banable? Is it 90%. . . 80%....60%? What does the data say about crows, what is the winrate of the card?

[Fromper]

Definitely disagree with banning them. They're good, but not broken.

[zaperok0]

they're not automatic wins in and of themselves.

The issue isn't if they are a 100% winrate. What is the cutoff for considering a bird banable? Is it 90%. . . 80%....60%? What does the data say about crows, what is the winrate of the card?

I am no admin but I could say crow's winrate is about 60% or less. And considering a bird banable I would say 90% winrate from my point of view

[Fromper]

In my last arena game, my opponent got both crows, and I still won. They really aren't an auto-win. Good, but not broken, as I said earlier.

Edit: Right after I posted that, I played another arena game where my opponent got both crows, yet I still won. In that case, he put the Fish Crow down as the second to last turn of the game, just for the 6 points, +2 more for his Omnivore Expert bonus card. But still, he had the other crow earlier, and he still managed to have a surprisingly bad game.