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AKuras
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i only got +2 ELO

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Why on this game i only got +2 ELO???
If thats the only thing ill get thats not worth playing its ridiculous. If i lost i would lose like 12-16 elo. Its just not realistic.
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Jellby
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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If you play against a lower-ranked player, you lose more and you win less. That's how elo works and how it's supposed to work. Elo is not a prize, it's a estimation of your skill.

If a game is worth playing only if you win elo... perhaps you should reconsider why you play at all.
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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Consecutive win penalty. BGA's attempt to avoid boosters may have been a bit jumpy and set off at a rate even regular players can hit naturally. If you scroll over your opponent in the after-game link it tells you.
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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Hmm. Your a 348. Opponent 211. +2 sounds about right. Especially if you have played lots and lots of that game. More you play a game the smaller the gain against lower elo opponents. If you lose against an opponent the difference in your elo can make you lose many more than you would . That is why elo is so great !! Really shows how good you are after time. Play a beginner and lose get whopped. why the better players stick with playing the better players. Less variance
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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i see its a penalty in playing a lot against him. but thats ridiculous. Between this game i got 2 elo and the next game against him i played 34 other games.
I should be warned that there will be penalty. I cant remember every player and how many times i played against him.
I dont want to play against opponents like this its not worth it.
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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First seems elo all that matters to you. Playing the games seems more important than elo's. That consecutive win penalty is probably there to keep from having elo abuse. Such as playing the same friend that you nearly always beat all day every day to increase your elo. 1002 games. Plenty others to choose from
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AKuras
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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yodamus wrote: 31 January 2025, 21:17 First seems elo all that matters to you. Playing the games seems more important than elo's. That consecutive win penalty is probably there to keep from having elo abuse. Such as playing the same friend that you nearly always beat all day every day to increase your elo. 1002 games. Plenty others to choose from
yes i play this game a lot. yes ELO is important i want to reach 500. No hes not my friend. I dont play him everyday. like i posted before. between our games there was 30+ games. Played total of 17 games against him between my 3100+ games. won 12 of them thats 71% win rate. Calling that cheating is ridiculous. prob barely went net positive againts him. Cause i lose way more then i win.

Its seem logical to give a warning before starting a game that this game will have penalty for what ever reason.
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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yodamus wrote: 31 January 2025, 19:42 Hmm. Your a 348. Opponent 211. +2 sounds about right. Especially if you have played lots and lots of that game. More you play a game the smaller the gain against lower elo opponents. If you lose against an opponent the difference in your elo can make you lose many more than you would . That is why elo is so great !! Really shows how good you are after time. Play a beginner and lose get whopped. why the better players stick with playing the better players. Less variance
How does 2 sound about right? Assuming they've played over 20 games you should expect a 348 to score a bit over 6 points if they beat a 211. The only reason they got a bit less than 2 points is because there was a 69% reduction to their gain due to the consecutive win penalty I pointed out.
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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AKuras wrote: 31 January 2025, 21:47 yes i play this game a lot. yes ELO is important i want to reach 500. No hes not my friend. I dont play him everyday. like i posted before. between our games there was 30+ games. Played total of 17 games against him between my 3100+ games. won 12 of them thats 71% win rate. Calling that cheating is ridiculous. prob barely went net positive againts him. Cause i lose way more then i win.
They're not calling it cheating, the ELO penalty is there is stop people from playing against the same (shill) opponent multiple times and artificially enhancing their rating. Most people who are penalised (including you) are not doing anything wrong and BGA aren't saying you are, you're just being caught in the cross-fire of policy.

Other games in between doesn't matter, it's simply looking at your record head to head with each player. Each consecutive win reduces your ELO gained. That said, as many have pointed out, ELO is not a "score", it's a measure of your skill. Once you reach your skill level at that game, ELO tends to stay pretty much the same (at least that's the intention - you can still get surprised by an opponent or surprise them, and get larger drops/boosts). KoT being what it is in terms of luck, your "skill" level will be swingy and it may be harder to get higher ELO. The highest for ANYONE on BGA is 516 and that player is the only one over 500. So reaching 500 is a pretty tough goal. Going beyond is probably not possible.

That said, the ELO changes that mean you get penalties for consecutive wins are widely disliked. There's a thread in the announcements forum with over 100 pages of people explaining why, most of which seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Feel free to add your voice, but don't hold your breath waiting for changes.
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AKuras
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Re: i only got +2 ELO

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Yeah if it has 100+page it for sure lost cause. The main issue is i don't know before game how many times in a row I won against him. There's has to be some sort of disclaimer. It's just not worth playing against him any more.
And last time I checked there were 6-9players with badge for reaching 500. So it's possible. I was at 497 once. Very close yet so far away.
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