Opponent cheating/using a bot?

[SluggerBaloney]

Link to game log in question: *

Look at the game log times. My opponent went first and made 52 consecutive game actions. The first action was at 10:17:54 AM and the 52nd was at 10:18:34 AM. That's 52 game actions taken in 40 seconds. As you can see in the log multiple times my opponent made more than 1 move a second.

I don't believe any human would (or could) play that fast and accurately. To me this screams the use of a cheating bot. How do I report this player for using a bot?


*Moderation Edit: please do not use the Forums to call out specific tables or players by name, this is what the Moderation Reports are for. The Forums should remain a general discussion.

[ufm]

This user played on a mobile device and enabled "Compact layout in mobile" preference option.
Then the screen looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/9xK5Hgg

As the top bar and the buttons are very close in this setting, the consecutive actions you reported are within the possible range.
Besides, this player has been using the center column focus strategy for hundreds of games.

I checked the dice logs to be sure, but this user is losing fast as well as winning fast.
Plus, the pip distribution and the win rate are also within the normal range.

My conclusion is, this user is neither cheating nor using a bot, but is utilizing the new preference option very well.

[SluggerBaloney]

I disagree and am sad to see such an obvious example of bot usage ignored.

There is no way any human could read all of the options on the buttons on the screen, choose a button to press, press the button, read the options on the new buttons from the next roll, and pick another button, all under a second. The logs show this user did that multiple times. The users average response time across FIFTY TWO moves was three quarters of a second. There's no way the user could look at the buttons, read the results, and choose the center column button over and over that fast.

This is one of the most blatant examples of bot usage I have ever seen and I can't believe this site is willing to hand wave that away. I suspect because they are a Premium member and pay $$ to use the site the you are fine turning a blind eye to obvious cheaters like this. Very sad. I'll add this game to my ever growing list of compromised games on this site never to play.

[ufm]

(facepalm) Stop putting your limitation on others.
Two touches on the touchscreen can absolutely be done in 1s. Have you seen rhythm game players in action?

Also, this series of fast moves is done when the tokens are on the center columns which are more likely to get consecutive rolls.
The mentioned player does not do so when tokens are on edge columns.
If the player is using a bot, what is the reason for slowing down then? Does the hypothetical bot stop working when a token is on 2, 3, 11 or 12?

[SluggerBaloney]

Stop putting your limitation on others.

And an insult thrown in on top of it. I should have expected nothing less. Stay classy

[Strode]

Staying classy involves not making questionable allegations of cheating.

[euklid314]

I disagree and am sad to see such an obvious example of bot usage ignored.

There is no way any human could read all of the options on the buttons on the screen, choose a button to press, press the button, read the options on the new buttons from the next roll, and pick another button, all under a second. The logs show this user did that multiple times. The users average response time across FIFTY TWO moves was three quarters of a second. There's no way the user could look at the buttons, read the results, and choose the center column button over and over that fast.

This is one of the most blatant examples of bot usage I have ever seen and I can't believe this site is willing to hand wave that away. I suspect because they are a Premium member and pay $$ to use the site the you are fine turning a blind eye to obvious cheaters like this. Very sad. I'll add this game to my ever growing list of compromised games on this site never to play.

Your opponent rolled 26 times and they had 26 decisions where to advance and 26 decisions if they wanted to stop or continue. Since they had the numbers 6,7,8 they knew that they would continue, perhaps they even decided very early that they would continue till they claimed a column or fell. That is, they had 26 clicks ("continue") without any decision.

Furthermore, they had 9 rolls (out of the 26) where they had no choice where to advance. If they enabled the option "automove" they had not only no choice but did not even have to click. If their finger stays over the continue button they can make 3-5 rolls per second. This shows as 6-10 moves in the game log but only requires to press the same button 3-5 times in a row (without any decision necessary).

From the 52 "decisions" according to game log there were only 52-26-9=15 real decisions. Most of them were visually and intellectually obvious (will you advance 7+8 or only the column 6?).

If a Rubic cube solver can make approx. 60 moves for an unknown state to solve a cube consistently in 5-8 seconds (record is approx 60 rotations in approx 3 seconds), you dont believe one can click 52-9=43 times in approx. a minute with only making 15 trivial decisions?

I am a very slow player but even I will manage to do that. If I have time in the next few days I will try it and post my times here....

[Zeus]

cant stop speedrun competition

[euklid314]

Just played a single game (ending with 06) now and had a series of 14 clicks (moves #18-31) in 15 seconds and another series of 19 clicks (moves #56-#74) in 16 seconds. Not even with the easiest numbers 6,7,8...

As I said, I am a slow player. With a little practice one should be able to reach approx. 1/2 second per click on columns 6,7,8.

[Ceaseless]

Apparently, they can't stop.