tutorial male pronouns

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Sunpath
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tutorial male pronouns

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I gave the tutorial for El Paso a rating of 2 out of 5 - not because I felt like I didn't understand the game, but because I was frequently referred to as he or him as a player (instead of just using my username only or some other option like they).
I have played a bunch of BGA tutorials and don't remember noticing this in the past for others.
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Re: tutorial male pronouns

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Hum ?
I just took a look in the translation center at all the tutorial texts and I might have missed some as there are more than 300 but it's all "You" or "We".

The only gendered text i found was not specific to the tutorial but it's true that there is a lot (which is not unusual, specially in the log)
Log:
${player_name} reshuffles his discard cards
${player_name} moves his herder along the trail
${player_name} places his herder
${player_name} picks ${cardType} from his deck
${player_name} uses ${n} certificate(s) to improve his breeding value

Other (status bar when other players are playing etc...)
${player_name} replenishes his hand
${actplayer} must move his herder 1 step
${actplayer} must move his herder at max ${n} steps
${actplayer} must discard a card from his hand
${actplayer} picks a card from his deck

I think this is a case of reverse translation problem.
There is never a he or him, only "his".
The dev is French, in French the choice of the possessive pronoun is based on the gender of the possessed object/person so none of the sentences above are player gendered in French

Example:
${player_name} places his herder --> ${player_name} place son éleveur
"Son" because "éleveur" is male, nothing to do with the gender of the player.

I'll suggest some english text changes when I have the time.
But anway, you shouldn't penalize the tutorial for that, it's completely unrelated.
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Phoxtrot
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Re: tutorial male pronouns

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I have made the suggestions directly in the translation center to use 'their' instead of 'his'
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Re: tutorial male pronouns

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BGA uses a gender pronoun replacement system. For more information, please check: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19432&start=10#p88592

If you found this tool doesn't work properly, you might open a bug report.
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Phoxtrot
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Well, all my suggested changes to "their" have been rejected.
Nothing more I can do.
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As part of the LGTBQIA+, I have to say this is kinda ridiculous. It’s a free game. Enjoy it and be happy theirs variety. This is like not playing Septima because it’s witches and not warlocks. And is female themed.
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Sad and petty. Like if someone reported your play because they didn't like your owl avatar. But hey, you be you. Glad you have other games to choose from so you can avoid this one.
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