is "Conceding" different from "quitting"?

[FrankJones]

I may have mis-read the log of that game in question; I didn't watch the replay, just checked the log after game end—no need to become so angry about it.

By the way, I'm happy to play a game with you and not concede, turn based in a friendly setting. Anytime you want.

Who said I am "so angry" about it?
I was clarifying the situation. Your post made is sound as though I intentionally extended the game a generation to run up the score, when in fact, once I know I can end the game in the current generation and win, I always do so.

[Tricia87]

Different perspective for ya....

Why should I be forced to watch your score tally just for the sake of your ego?

It’s called sportsmanship. Let’s someone else enjoy their win to the end.

[spotcard]

Some people think conceding is unsportsmanlike, others think running up the score on your opponent is unsportsmanlike. It has even started fights in baseball. Personally, I prefer a concession (mine or the opponents) if the game has become lopsided, but I can see how quitting very close to the end could be seen as childish.

[Suoivax]

Different perspective for ya....

Why should I be forced to watch your score tally just for the sake of your ego?

It’s called sportsmanship. Let’s someone else enjoy their win to the end.

So the winners enjoyment is more important than the losers?

[cranesflyhigh]

If you already see what is coming, why waste both players' time? I understand the enjoyment in big numbers, Barbarians are a really fun class in most TTRPGs for me (also for the roleplaying aspect, but I digress), but big numbers are only really enjoyable if they are actually impactful. Instead of watching pointless victory laps, I prefer to get the game done and play a new one. So yes, conceding is very different from quitting.

[FrankJones]

If you already see what is coming, why waste both players' time? I understand the enjoyment in big numbers, Barbarians are a really fun class in most TTRPGs for me (also for the roleplaying aspect, but I digress), but big numbers are only really enjoyable if they are actually impactful. Instead of watching pointless victory laps, I prefer to get the game done and play a new one. So yes, conceding is very different from quitting.

I am generally in agreement with what most people have said here.

I did not re-read the entire thread, so I hope I do not write anything here that contradicts what I wrote earlier, but my point is, why play through an entire 12th and 13th generation of Terraforming Mars in a hopelessly lost game, only to "concede" literally one move before the game's final move? To me, that is, in my opinion, a bit lacking in sportsmanship and seems a bit petty. Notice I said, "in my opinion". I understand other opinions may vary.

[alltaken]

You can't force a person to have to have to wait for you to display all your battery of last minute inconsequential actions when you already won a game. As much as anyone can say bad manners from one side, the other side can say "wasting our time, grandstanding, etc". The concede function is there for a reason and I someone doesn't like it it's a you situation and noting else.

[FrankJones]

You can't force a person to have to have to wait for you to display all your battery of last minute inconsequential actions when you already won a game. As much as anyone can say bad manners from one side, the other side can say "wasting our time, grandstanding, etc". The concede function is there for a reason and I someone doesn't like it it's a you situation and noting else.

Agreed. No one is ever FORCED to do anything. A player is never forced to continue any game at any point. Quitting (with penalty because the game is not half-completed) or conceding are always options.

This is a separate discussion from what constitutes poor sportsmanship, and each person is likely to have different ideas regarding what constitutes poor sportsmanship. And that is okay. Personally, I do not wish to play with people who play the game out to 99.9% completion (even if it obviously a lost game) and THEN concede at literally the last second, and I have explained why I feel this way.

If that happens, I simply give the person a red thumb (because I wish to avoid that player), and I click the box that says, "This is my personal opinion", because nothing so egregious happened that would justify clicking the other option of "Everyone should avoid this player".

Personally, when I am getting crushed in a game of TFM, I play it out. The other player played strategically and set up a nice scoring engine and I am going to allow that player to experience the fun of cashing in his hand during the final generation. Maybe the game is going to be a personal best for that player. Maybe that player would like the practice and experience of optimally playing those final cards to score the most possible points with them for situations when it might matter in a very close game. Whatever the reason, I tip my cap, metaphorically, say "gg, well played", and allow the game to finish.

I understand other people might do differently and have different opinions. That is okay.

[Suoivax]

You can't force a person to have to have to wait for you to display all your battery of last minute inconsequential actions when you already won a game. As much as anyone can say bad manners from one side, the other side can say "wasting our time, grandstanding, etc". The concede function is there for a reason and I someone doesn't like it it's a you situation and noting else.

Agreed. No one is ever FORCED to do anything. A player is never forced to continue any game at any point. Quitting (with penalty because the game is not half-completed) or conceding are always options.

This is a separate discussion from what constitutes poor sportsmanship, and each person is likely to have different ideas regarding what constitutes poor sportsmanship. And that is okay. Personally, I do not wish to play with people who play the game out to 99.9% completion (even if it obviously a lost game) and THEN concede at literally the last second, and I have explained why I feel this way.

If that happens, I simply give the person a red thumb (because I wish to avoid that player), and I click the box that says, "This is my personal opinion", because nothing so egregious happened that would justify clicking the other option of "Everyone should avoid this player".

Personally, when I am getting crushed in a game of TFM, I play it out. The other player played strategically and set up a nice scoring engine and I am going to allow that player to experience the fun of cashing in his hand during the final generation. Maybe the game is going to be a personal best for that player. Maybe that player would like the practice and experience of optimally playing those final cards to score the most possible points with them for situations when it might matter in a very close game. Whatever the reason, I tip my cap, metaphorically, say "gg, well played", and allow the game to finish.

I understand other people might do differently and have different opinions. That is okay.

If it was myself crushing you in a game of TfM (won't happen, I *), I wouldn't want you to let it play out. Don't make me go through the motions of mindlessly clicking my blue cards, when we both know what the outcome is.

*Moderator edit: please refrain from swearing on BGA, this is a family-friendly platform.

[FrankJones]

If it was myself crushing you in a game of TfM (won't happen, I *), I wouldn't want you to let it play out. Don't make me go through the motions of mindlessly clicking my blue cards, when we both know what the outcome is.

I've been crushed by players of varying skill levels

You are making a reasonable point.
I should point out, the winning player in a situation like that can always just opt to "pass" rather than continuing to carry out blue card actions.