Pente variants and potential expansions

[2ya]

Line capture is taking 5 (or more) if you put you stones on the two ends of the other players 5 (or more). See here step 30: https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=569432471
Break the line is when you manage to capture 2 (or in case of keryo 3) stones, after the other player formed a 5 (or more). See step 74-75:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=573626173
Hope this helps.

Hi Frank,
that is what I say: you don't see it. Because there was something like "Capture the line" or "Line capture" as an other option of "Overtime capture", when you could capture 5 (or more) stones.

I am confused. What would "capture the line" mean that is different from "Break the line"?

[FrankJones]

Line capture is taking 5 (or more) if you put you stones on the two ends of the other players 5 (or more). See here step 30: https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... =569432471
Break the line is when you manage to capture 2 (or in case of keryo 3) stones, after the other player formed a 5 (or more). See step 74-75:
https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... =573626173
Hope this helps.

Good lord.

"Line capture" ... is not Pente anymore. That isa completely different game. How would anyone ever defend against such a thing if any number of stones in a line can be captured? Oram I still not understanding?

Keep in mind, I am a multi-time champion at this game in various different formats and venues. And yet I am still puzzled here.

(Those links did not work for me.)

[2ya]

Yes, this is almost like a different game. But that's okay — it can be really interesting and pushes you out of your usual patterns, encouraging a different way of thinking.
By the way, you can't just remove any number. For example, you can't take 4 Taking 3 in 'keryo' mode — now that leads to really long games.
I actually organized a tournament with line capture and self capture, and I think the matches were super interesting and enjoyable; it was a real challenge to think differently.
Personally, I'm a bit sad it's no longer around — it was my favorite.

You should try it once (I would be glad to play/assist), if ufm allows it.

Line capture is taking 5 (or more) if you put you stones on the two ends of the other players 5 (or more). See here step 30: https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... =569432471
Break the line is when you manage to capture 2 (or in case of keryo 3) stones, after the other player formed a 5 (or more). See step 74-75:
https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... =573626173
Hope this helps.

Good lord.

"Line capture" ... is not Pente anymore. That isa completely different game. How would anyone ever defend against such a thing if any number of stones in a line can be captured? Oram I still not understanding?

Keep in mind, I am a multi-time champion at this game in various different formats and venues. And yet I am still puzzled here.

(Those links did not work for me.)

[FrankJones]

Yes, this is almost like a different game. But that's okay — it can be really interesting and pushes you out of your usual patterns, encouraging a different way of thinking.
By the way, you can't just remove any number. For example, you can't take 4 Taking 3 in 'keryo' mode — now that leads to really long games.
I actually organized a tournament with line capture and self capture, and I think the matches were super interesting and enjoyable; it was a real challenge to think differently.
Personally, I'm a bit sad it's no longer around — it was my favorite.

You should try it once (I would be glad to play/assist), if ufm allows it.

Just to be clear, I am familiar with all the usual variants. Swap, G-pente, D-pente, Poof, Boat, Keryo, etc. As I said, multi-time tournament winner online and in real life. I played on all the Pente sites back in the day. Dweebo's, IYT, brain King, PBem, etc.

I still do not understand what is meant by "Line capture". I understand what "capture across the line" means. Can you please give me an example in this thread, since those links are not working? Use X and O for the pieces:

Normal capture: XOOX (The two O stones are captured when the second X is placed)
Keryo capture: XOOOX (The three O stones are captured when the second X is placed)

"line capture": ???

(I have not found Keryo games to be much longer than non-Keryo.)

[2ya]

It is xooooox 5 o stones captured after 2nd x placed. It is an overtime capture.

Keryo with line capture makes the game real long...

Yes, this is almost like a different game. But that's okay — it can be really interesting and pushes you out of your usual patterns, encouraging a different way of thinking.
By the way, you can't just remove any number. For example, you can't take 4 Taking 3 in 'keryo' mode — now that leads to really long games.
I actually organized a tournament with line capture and self capture, and I think the matches were super interesting and enjoyable; it was a real challenge to think differently.
Personally, I'm a bit sad it's no longer around — it was my favorite.

You should try it once (I would be glad to play/assist), if ufm allows it.

Just to be clear, I am familiar with all the usual variants. Swap, G-pente, D-pente, Poof, Boat, Keryo, etc. As I said, multi-time tournament winner online and in real life. I played on all the Pente sites back in the day. Dweebo's, IYT, brain King, PBem, etc.

I still do not understand what is meant by "Line capture". I understand what "capture across the line" means. Can you please give me an example in this thread, since those links are not working? Use X and O for the pieces:

Normal capture: XOOX (The two O stones are captured when the second X is placed)
Keryo capture: XOOOX (The three O stones are captured when the second X is placed)

"line capture": ???

(I have not found Keryo games to be much longer than non-Keryo.)

[FrankJones]

It is xooooox 5 o stones captured after 2nd x placed. It is an overtime capture.

Keryo with line capture makes the game real long...

ahhh !

NOW I understand. Thank you

Okay, THAT is interesting.
I have to think this over. Is it ever possible to win by completing a line rather than captures? I do no think I have ever seen a "pente" open on both sides, and if one end has an opponent stone, the opponent can just capture the entire 5-stone line?

And, with Keryo and the overtime line capture, wouldn't someone win on captures fairly quickly? I would need to experiment I suppose.

[2ya]

You forget about the 10 or 15 stones capture rule. Capturing a line means you get 5 (or more) points!
And yes, then the opponent can capture then 5 stones.
But one thing is very important: self-capture is only valid for 2 (or in case keryo 3) stone self-captures, butnot for 5/pente.

It is xooooox 5 o stones captured after 2nd x placed. It is an overtime capture.

Keryo with line capture makes the game real long...

ahhh !

NOW I understand. Thank you

Okay, THAT is interesting.
I have to think this over. Is it ever possible to win by completing a line rather than captures? I do no think I have ever seen a "pente" open on both sides, and if one end has an opponent stone, the opponent can just capture the entire 5-stone line?

And, with Keryo and the overtime line capture, wouldn't someone win on captures fairly quickly? I would need to experiment I suppose.

[FrankJones]

You forget about the 10 or 15 stones capture rule. Capturing a line means you get 5 (or more) points!

What I meant is, if overtime line captures are allowed, does anyone ever win by making 5 in a row? No, right? It would always end by captures, right?

[2ya]

There was a case when I lost this way:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=582266561

You forget about the 10 or 15 stones capture rule. Capturing a line means you get 5 (or more) points!

What I meant is, if overtime line captures are allowed, does anyone ever win by making 5 in a row? No, right? It would always end by captures, right?