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Re: I Want To Get Better At This Game But I Don't Know How

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Archisian wrote: 26 May 2025, 01:21 And here's another one. Another loss like usual. I just get absolutely decimated. My brain is hurting trying to understand what I'm missing. I feel like I'm an idiot because I'm apparently not seeing what others are.

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Hey brotha.

In this game you didn't keep the Brant. The brant can be the best bird in the game if the tray has great birds. In this case, the american crow was there. You NEEDED to keep the brant and card you kept.

Turn 1 brant
Turn 2 american crow
Turn 3 off to the races with good chances

Extremely important to get cheap birds and/or birds that gain food early on.
Important to try and keep 1 wetland bird so you can draw 2 cards and discard an egg early on.

Basically, you need to be able to take as much resources as possible early. The resources usually limiting you early are 1. Food 2. Cards 3. Eggs

Think about this: to start you can only get 1 food or 1 card. But you can get 2 eggs. So it is vitally important to get food, even birds like the rose-breasted grosbeak that cost 3 because their ability pays itself back. Then really just playing any bird in wetland is fine, as long as it's cheap.
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ZenVee wrote: 26 May 2025, 18:17
Archisian wrote: 26 May 2025, 01:21 And here's another one. Another loss like usual. I just get absolutely decimated. My brain is hurting trying to understand what I'm missing. I feel like I'm an idiot because I'm apparently not seeing what others are.

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=678499339
Hey brotha.

In this game you didn't keep the Brant. The brant can be the best bird in the game if the tray has great birds. In this case, the american crow was there. You NEEDED to keep the brant and card you kept.

Turn 1 brant
Turn 2 american crow
Turn 3 off to the races with good chances

Extremely important to get cheap birds and/or birds that gain food early on.
Important to try and keep 1 wetland bird so you can draw 2 cards and discard an egg early on.

Basically, you need to be able to take as much resources as possible early. The resources usually limiting you early are 1. Food 2. Cards 3. Eggs

Think about this: to start you can only get 1 food or 1 card. But you can get 2 eggs. So it is vitally important to get food, even birds like the rose-breasted grosbeak that cost 3 because their ability pays itself back. Then really just playing any bird in wetland is fine, as long as it's cheap.
Ah yes, I didn't even pay enough attention to what that bird did when I skimmed over the replay, been too used to playing Wingspan without it, lol. Yeah, would definitely have kept that in that hand, lets you skip having to use the wetland for a draw 1. I skimmed that opening and saw Lincoln's Sparrow and Crow without digging too hard into all the other ways you could play that hand.
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Re: I Want To Get Better At This Game But I Don't Know How

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I sucked at this game when I started out.

Are you watching the top rated players game replays? Are you looking at their game stats? Are you making the same starting hand decisions they are?
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Kakapogoglu wrote: 26 May 2025, 12:00 Hello ! If you struggle with your starting hands and if you don't know which birds are the best for building your engine and your game, I recommend you to check on YT the video : "The Ultimate Wingspan Tier List: Early Game Strategy Guide & Bird Rankings". It's long but you have passionate and great Wingspan players discussing which birds are good for the early game, could be helpful for you.

Don't be too focused on the bonus cards, they are only few additional points for your end game score. They can be decisive at the end, but it's not that often actually. By building a good engine, you can score way more points than following "blindlessly" your bonus card. About end-round goals, they are important because they can make a 6-point difference each round with your opponent (if you play 1vs1). But personally, I sometimes sacrifice the first end-round goal to build my engine if it's worth it.

In the base game here, the main technique would be to gain fast access to food and card drawing, then in round 2 and 3, to switch progressively to a good grassland engine that you can activate often in the late game (eggs + points generated by brown powers). At round 4, you should count the points that every move will earn you. If laying eggs earns you more points than playing a bird for a bonus card, then lay eggs. I can't enumerate all the subtile ways to play a bird or another at the right time, Wingspan offers many possibilities. But I think if you choose wisely your starting hands, that's the first way to go for better scoring at the end, and potential victories. Good luck ;)
Sounds good! I'll try and check it out. I did some games and I started to get some more wins. I'm slowly starting to see which cards are more effective than others. However, I still have trouble trying to balance that with matching the bonus objectives, particularly with ones that require a certain nest with eggs in them. It seems I'm almost always down a card in the starting hand while my opponent always has an answer, either the exact card for it or a star nest. So, I often have to find a way to be flexible so I don't end up with zero points in the bonus objective. But it's really difficult.
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FrankJones wrote: 26 May 2025, 14:42 Ceaseless has the recipe here:

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After you know you can make the grassland, you should make sure you can make your forest. I would say the order of priority goes something like this.
1. Have wetland bird #1
2. Have forest birds #1 and #2
3. Play forest birds #1 and #2
4. Play wetland bird #1 (move to 2. if you don't have the forest birds for 2. and 3.)
"

Ashas been discussed, you need cards to win this game. Without a wetland bird, it's not realistically possible to win. Actually playing the wetland bird does not need to be the priority though - as noted by the above sequence and by what UnexpectedKea wrote. In a 2-player game, a stagnant bird feeder with the wrong food can be a major hazard. Getting those two forest birds down early will set up a strong forest food draw, allowing you to get 2 food without giving up a card (which you likely will not yet have to spare anyway), ideally getting 2 useful food, but if not, one useful food and a second food to be used later. And activating (we hope) at least one good brown power, maybe 2.

Then you can get your wetland bird down, and lay eggs, preparing for 2 turns of drawing 2 cards. If you get a good second wetland bird, excellent. You can play it and save one of your eggs.

Laying eggs with an empty grassland isn't too bad in this version without expansions and without the modified player board. You still get 2 eggs.

At that point, I try to transition to setting up my grassland for points. This is the only habitat that inherently scores points, and again, since we are playing the base game, it's difficult to set up a scoring engine in the other habitats. It's also difficult to convert extra food and cards into points. No chiffchaff, chaffinch, No Eagles that eat cards, and no board activations to easily convert cards and food into points.

I always try to get a tuck-and-draw bird in the grassland so I can lay eggs while swapping a bad card for a good one in the tray, gaining that card without taking a mostly empty wetlands turn. I also like to get a "tuck-and-lay-egg" bird in the grassland so convert those extra cards into 2 points each.

The end-round goals are usually more important than your bonus card. As has been noted, each one is potentially a 6-point swing. That's a lot better than putting down 2 mediocre birds just to add 3 points to your starting bonus card.

I will say, I'm not a big fan of playing this game without expansions. For me it gets boring rather quickly. I find the early game very frustrating and highly dependent on the starting hand. The limited number of end-round goals starts to get repetitive too. These concerns might not apply to anyone who has only played the base game. But after so many plays with the expansions, I find this version very limited. 2 forest birds, 2 wetland birds, fill the grassland row, and spam it for points.

And sometimes, the bird feeder will not cooperate, or, you'll draw garbage cards and at some point you'll just have to start playing what you have.
So if I don't lay down a wetland bird by my third turn, I'm going to struggle?
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ZenVee wrote: 26 May 2025, 18:17
Archisian wrote: 26 May 2025, 01:21 And here's another one. Another loss like usual. I just get absolutely decimated. My brain is hurting trying to understand what I'm missing. I feel like I'm an idiot because I'm apparently not seeing what others are.

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=678499339
Hey brotha.

In this game you didn't keep the Brant. The brant can be the best bird in the game if the tray has great birds. In this case, the american crow was there. You NEEDED to keep the brant and card you kept.

Turn 1 brant
Turn 2 american crow
Turn 3 off to the races with good chances

Extremely important to get cheap birds and/or birds that gain food early on.
Important to try and keep 1 wetland bird so you can draw 2 cards and discard an egg early on.

Basically, you need to be able to take as much resources as possible early. The resources usually limiting you early are 1. Food 2. Cards 3. Eggs

Think about this: to start you can only get 1 food or 1 card. But you can get 2 eggs. So it is vitally important to get food, even birds like the rose-breasted grosbeak that cost 3 because their ability pays itself back. Then really just playing any bird in wetland is fine, as long as it's cheap.
Looking back at the replay, yeah you were right. I guess I didn't think about the card's ability because I was too focused on the bonus cards or something. I've played some games recently were I didn't worry about the bonus cards so much and I got a few more wins.
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ZenVee wrote: 26 May 2025, 19:38 I sucked at this game when I started out.

Are you watching the top rated players game replays? Are you looking at their game stats? Are you making the same starting hand decisions they are?
I haven't, and really, I should start doing that. I'm a bit stubborn because I think that after some time, I can figure things out on my own. Well, it seems I hadn't been able to without help on here.

I'll try to see some of the best players and see what they do.
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Archisian wrote: 27 May 2025, 05:04
FrankJones wrote: 26 May 2025, 14:42 Ceaseless has the recipe here:

"
After you know you can make the grassland, you should make sure you can make your forest. I would say the order of priority goes something like this.
1. Have wetland bird #1
2. Have forest birds #1 and #2
3. Play forest birds #1 and #2
4. Play wetland bird #1 (move to 2. if you don't have the forest birds for 2. and 3.)
"

Ashas been discussed, you need cards to win this game. Without a wetland bird, it's not realistically possible to win. Actually playing the wetland bird does not need to be the priority though - as noted by the above sequence and by what UnexpectedKea wrote. In a 2-player game, a stagnant bird feeder with the wrong food can be a major hazard. Getting those two forest birds down early will set up a strong forest food draw, allowing you to get 2 food without giving up a card (which you likely will not yet have to spare anyway), ideally getting 2 useful food, but if not, one useful food and a second food to be used later. And activating (we hope) at least one good brown power, maybe 2.

Then you can get your wetland bird down, and lay eggs, preparing for 2 turns of drawing 2 cards. If you get a good second wetland bird, excellent. You can play it and save one of your eggs.

Laying eggs with an empty grassland isn't too bad in this version without expansions and without the modified player board. You still get 2 eggs.

At that point, I try to transition to setting up my grassland for points. This is the only habitat that inherently scores points, and again, since we are playing the base game, it's difficult to set up a scoring engine in the other habitats. It's also difficult to convert extra food and cards into points. No chiffchaff, chaffinch, No Eagles that eat cards, and no board activations to easily convert cards and food into points.

I always try to get a tuck-and-draw bird in the grassland so I can lay eggs while swapping a bad card for a good one in the tray, gaining that card without taking a mostly empty wetlands turn. I also like to get a "tuck-and-lay-egg" bird in the grassland so convert those extra cards into 2 points each.

The end-round goals are usually more important than your bonus card. As has been noted, each one is potentially a 6-point swing. That's a lot better than putting down 2 mediocre birds just to add 3 points to your starting bonus card.

I will say, I'm not a big fan of playing this game without expansions. For me it gets boring rather quickly. I find the early game very frustrating and highly dependent on the starting hand. The limited number of end-round goals starts to get repetitive too. These concerns might not apply to anyone who has only played the base game. But after so many plays with the expansions, I find this version very limited. 2 forest birds, 2 wetland birds, fill the grassland row, and spam it for points.

And sometimes, the bird feeder will not cooperate, or, you'll draw garbage cards and at some point you'll just have to start playing what you have.
So if I don't lay down a wetland bird by my third turn, I'm going to struggle?
More like you should generally only draw 1 card from the wetland because there's a must grab card available you don't have time to wait a turn for because your opponent will draw it if you don't. Otherwise, you should have already played your wetland bird(s) and have an egg available to pay to draw another card by the time you finally use the draw card option, meaning that when you finally do use the wetland to draw you're drawing 2 or more cards.
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Archisian wrote: 27 May 2025, 05:04

So if I don't lay down a wetland bird by my third turn, I'm going to struggle?
I would not say that as an absolute, but, if you are doing the "draw cards" action more than once with no bird in that slot, the game is likely not going to end well.

It's not that you need to have that bird in play by the third turn; you just need it in play before you draw cards more than once.

It's fine to Draw card (taking a crucial wetland bird from the tray; maybe your starting hand had no wetland birds), play bird (forest), play bird (Grassland), Lay eggs, play bird (forest), gain food, then play bird (wetland).

The point is, you cannot keep "drawing card" with no bird in the wetlands.

Sometimes you get a hand with no wetland bird and none in the tray. Oh well, gg.

I really don't like this game without the expansion board. Even if they can't add the EE expansion or Oceania or nectar, I wish they would replace the board with the upgraded board that comes with the Oceania expansion.
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FrankJones wrote: 27 May 2025, 15:05
Archisian wrote: 27 May 2025, 05:04

So if I don't lay down a wetland bird by my third turn, I'm going to struggle?
I would not say that as an absolute, but, if you are doing the "draw cards" action more than once with no bird in that slot, the game is likely not going to end well.

It's not that you need to have that bird in play by the third turn; you just need it in play before you draw cards more than once.

It's fine to Draw card (taking a crucial wetland bird from the tray; maybe your starting hand had no wetland birds), play bird (forest), play bird (Grassland), Lay eggs, play bird (forest), gain food, then play bird (wetland).

The point is, you cannot keep "drawing card" with no bird in the wetlands.

Sometimes you get a hand with no wetland bird and none in the tray. Oh well, gg.

I really don't like this game without the expansion board. Even if they can't add the EE expansion or Oceania or nectar, I wish they would replace the board with the upgraded board that comes with the Oceania expansion.
So I've taken what you suggested and I started getting more wins. There some strategies that I did based on the initial hand that I wonder what you think:

1. Usually around half in the game, if you haven't met at least one of the first two end of round goals and you haven't met your bonus yet AND you're are either tied with your opponent or they are ahead, you are like 90% most likely going to lose. Just concede and move on.

2. Don't play cards around the end of the third round. Instead, lay eggs. The only time it's appropriate to play cards in the final round is if you are ahead by a decent margin and you are about to hit one of your bonus OR lay down a bird that gives you a choice of bonus card and see what you get. Playing cards means using eggs, which lowers the value of the card you are playing. It is, most of the time, much better to continue laying eggs and letting the bird abilities activate to increase points.

3. If the end round goals are all or almost all based around eggs in certain type of nest: absolutely get birds with star nests. If your opponent gets two or three birds with star nests and you have 1 or less, you will probably fail the end of round goals, which you cannot fail more than 2. Concede and move on.

4. If you still have less than two forest birds at the halfway point, unless you have a combo in the grassland/wetland with something like Anna's Hummingbird and the American Crow that allows you to draw food, you will lose. Concede and move on.

5. Cards without abilities aren't worth playing for the most part unless they fulfill a bonus card.

Now, this is just generally speaking. There are exceptions. Am I getting the right idea?
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