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Re: I Want To Get Better At This Game But I Don't Know How

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Andrei3009 wrote: 06 June 2025, 02:31 It's time for me to ask what I did wrong in the game. In my opinion, my card draw was not very good- not one useful grassland bird, but the situation was slightly improved by suitable bonus cards.

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=683723799

I reviewed the beginning of the game and saw a more promising starting line, which I considered but did not choose, because I thought Loon would work in first round: keep Woodpecker and King rail, play Woodpecker , gain food, lay eggs and hope for good cards or even Common loon if it is still there.

Now I see that it would be better, but what should I do next if I pretend that I didn't have a king rail? I definitely struggle in no grassland games
Hello, I checked your game until end of round 2. That's one of those games where it's difficult to score many points, there was a big lack of powerful early game wetland and grassland birds. I'm around ELO 600, however I finished (and won :lol: ) a game with 65 points lately, that happens. If I had your starting hand, I would have kept only the woodpecker as you did. Maybe play the woodpecker first, there could have been a chance that your opponent may draw a card from the deck and reveal something better than the loon for you. If not, draw the loon only (not the brown pelican) and play it, lay eggs and draw cards one or two times. With the brown pelican, you disabled the power of the loon (which is like a Wilson snipe when your opponent has also one wetand bird), which was maybe not the best thing to do in my opinion. But my strategy could also have failed when I see the next cards that would have been drawn...
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Thank you for the reply.

I saw brown pelican as and an ok option for second wetland bird, but it definitely slows Loon a lot, and in this game opponent played first wetland bird in third round, but still probably a mistake. I thought about woodpecker first, but the tray was very bad and I didn't think that the opponent would take anything other than loon and there is a possibility that I would want to play something before woodpecker .
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Re: I Want To Get Better At This Game But I Don't Know How

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Andrei3009 wrote: 06 June 2025, 02:31 It's time for me to ask what I did wrong in the game. In my opinion, my card draw was not very good- not one useful grassland bird, but the situation was slightly improved by suitable bonus cards.

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=683723799

I reviewed the beginning of the game and saw a more promising starting line, which I considered but did not choose, because I thought Loon would work in first round: keep Woodpecker and King rail, play Woodpecker , gain food, lay eggs and hope for good cards or even Common loon if it is still there.

Now I see that it would be better, but what should I do next if I pretend that I didn't have a king rail? I definitely struggle in no grassland games
I haven’t had time to review the whole game but did take a look at your starting hand. For me, there’s one clear way to go. Keep hooded merganser, woodpecker + worm, seed, fish. Play merganser, lay eggs, and start digging through the deck. This way I’ve already gained 4 cards by the end of turn 4 and I still have a seed to play woodpecker. If I drew 4 truly awful cards, I’ll lay eggs again and draw more. Loon is much too slow because not only do I have to spend an entire turn drawing a single card, but then I still have to get the woodpecker down (for the egg space) before digging. This start (as is usually the case) is all about tempo, tempo, tempo. I want to see as many cards as possible as quickly as possible so I can start to develop some sort of early game strategy.

Two things I’m not focused on here are 1) the 1st end of round goal, and 2) developing my grassland early, although that could change if I luck out with an amazing draw. What I’m digging for is better card access - another wetland bird that is easy to get down and hopefully has a good brown power (draw and discard, tuck and draw)

All things considered, this isn’t a terrible start. I’ve got GREAT early food access (extra junk cards I draw can be tossed to gain 3 food in a single turn once the woodpecker goes down), and I can get to digging quickly. As a bonus, I already have 2 cavity nests for the 2nd EOR. I hope this is helpful for you!
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Andrei3009 wrote: 06 June 2025, 02:31 It's time for me to ask what I did wrong in the game. In my opinion, my card draw was not very good- not one useful grassland bird, but the situation was slightly improved by suitable bonus cards.

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=683723799

I reviewed the beginning of the game and saw a more promising starting line, which I considered but did not choose, because I thought Loon would work in first round: keep Woodpecker and King rail, play Woodpecker , gain food, lay eggs and hope for good cards or even Common loon if it is still there.

Now I see that it would be better, but what should I do next if I pretend that I didn't have a king rail? I definitely struggle in no grassland games
Kakapogoglu wrote: 06 June 2025, 09:15
Andrei3009 wrote: 06 June 2025, 02:31 It's time for me to ask what I did wrong in the game. In my opinion, my card draw was not very good- not one useful grassland bird, but the situation was slightly improved by suitable bonus cards.

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=683723799

I reviewed the beginning of the game and saw a more promising starting line, which I considered but did not choose, because I thought Loon would work in first round: keep Woodpecker and King rail, play Woodpecker , gain food, lay eggs and hope for good cards or even Common loon if it is still there.

Now I see that it would be better, but what should I do next if I pretend that I didn't have a king rail? I definitely struggle in no grassland games
Hello, I checked your game until end of round 2. That's one of those games where it's difficult to score many points, there was a big lack of powerful early game wetland and grassland birds. I'm around ELO 600, however I finished (and won :lol: ) a game with 65 points lately, that happens. If I had your starting hand, I would have kept only the woodpecker as you did. Maybe play the woodpecker first, there could have been a chance that your opponent may draw a card from the deck and reveal something better than the loon for you. If not, draw the loon only (not the brown pelican) and play it, lay eggs and draw cards one or two times. With the brown pelican, you disabled the power of the loon (which is like a Wilson snipe when your opponent has also one wetand bird), which was maybe not the best thing to do in my opinion. But my strategy could also have failed when I see the next cards that would have been drawn...
The hand I'm keeping is Woodpecker and Brewer's Wren with Invertebrate, Seed, and Fish. Turn 1 Woodpecker using Seed and hope they don't take Invertebrate turn 1 (they didn't). Turn 2 gain the Invertebrate and use Woodpecker to take Seed. Your turn 3 can now play Brewer's Wren and you have 2 forest and a wetland bird, and one of your forest birds can even sometimes get food/points. Not a half bad start. Yes, Brewer's Wren is a terrible card, but I think its role in this hand is indispensable to guarantee a developed Forest and Wetland, and thanks to Woodpecker you can get over the food cost quickly enough to make do. Instead of playing Wren turn 3 you can also draw Common Loon instead if you really want it. (Edit: I'd like to point out you can just get it with a standard draw 2 later though). Given they started the game with 2 food and neither of them fish, I'm not expecting them to draw it unless they think you have no wetland capacity at all and really want to counter pick (I did not realize they had no wetland birds at all in a 3 card hand, or I should more specifically say that they didn't use any, lol). I find it unlikely and hardly fatal if they try it since you do have a wetland pick. Since Brewer's Wren is a Migratory bird it lets you have 2 wetland birds, yet Common Loon will only count itself for its effect if you move Wren away (this normally matters more than it would have in this game, but your opponent forgetting what a wetland was for so long really kills this trick.) Wren even adds some fight for your second end of round goal.

On move 37, between the Fruit, Fish, and Seed you'd get from Woodpecker's effect you have enough food to play Flycatcher next turn with a 2 for one food trade. Considering Woodpecker's Seed synergy, you had a believable chance of making Canada Goose work as a card, so I'd have chosen to hang onto it for a bit longer. Besides, you were looking for Grassland birds anyways.

I do think you did more random draw 2 wetland drawing than needed. It would have been better to just develop what you had, gaining food in the forest and playing the birds you had. You can wait for next round to see if anything good pops up. I'd have considered Vireo is the Grassland, you already have 2 forest birds with potential food effects, you seem to be ok there, I don't think you had to make a big push to get 2 more for 1 extra food. If you had to go for draws, if you really needed birds in areas, there were a couple of Migratory birds you could have gotten. Double Invertebrate, but Flycatcher helps with that. You could have done that and had more birds in all areas, including the Grassland you were trying to fill, rather than a bunch of dead blind draws.
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TheGreenClarinet wrote: 06 June 2025, 16:06
Andrei3009 wrote: 06 June 2025, 02:31 It's time for me to ask what I did wrong in the game. In my opinion, my card draw was not very good- not one useful grassland bird, but the situation was slightly improved by suitable bonus cards.

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=683723799

I reviewed the beginning of the game and saw a more promising starting line, which I considered but did not choose, because I thought Loon would work in first round: keep Woodpecker and King rail, play Woodpecker , gain food, lay eggs and hope for good cards or even Common loon if it is still there.

Now I see that it would be better, but what should I do next if I pretend that I didn't have a king rail? I definitely struggle in no grassland games
I haven’t had time to review the whole game but did take a look at your starting hand. For me, there’s one clear way to go. Keep hooded merganser, woodpecker + worm, seed, fish. Play merganser, lay eggs, and start digging through the deck. This way I’ve already gained 4 cards by the end of turn 4 and I still have a seed to play woodpecker. If I drew 4 truly awful cards, I’ll lay eggs again and draw more. Loon is much too slow because not only do I have to spend an entire turn drawing a single card, but then I still have to get the woodpecker down (for the egg space) before digging. This start (as is usually the case) is all about tempo, tempo, tempo. I want to see as many cards as possible as quickly as possible so I can start to develop some sort of early game strategy.

Two things I’m not focused on here are 1) the 1st end of round goal, and 2) developing my grassland early, although that could change if I luck out with an amazing draw. What I’m digging for is better card access - another wetland bird that is easy to get down and hopefully has a good brown power (draw and discard, tuck and draw)

All things considered, this isn’t a terrible start. I’ve got GREAT early food access (extra junk cards I draw can be tossed to gain 3 food in a single turn once the woodpecker goes down), and I can get to digging quickly. As a bonus, I already have 2 cavity nests for the 2nd EOR. I hope this is helpful for you!
If the terrible Brewer's Wren didn't already get me the role I was willing to accept, this is a route I could have taken. Merganser is a bad card, but it is the only wetland option that lets you get the 2 card dig a turn without losing the key food for Woodpecker. I disagree with having to play Woodpecker for the egg space as losing tempo. You're just blind digging, so delaying the draws by 1 turn doesn't matter since you're not racing for anything anyone can see and target. You don't actually lose a turn because at some point you had to spend it on Woodpecker anyways, unless you lucky drew something better which would still eat a turn to play. So all you did was shuffle the turn order. Having to spend a turn to draw Loon, on the other hand, absolutely does matter and I agree it's a pain. If anything, the delay on the food is riskier since unlike blind draws the birdfeeder is public. Your opponent will get time to make a forest and then take the Seed when they see Woodpecker come down, so you're hoping that the Seed keeps popping up enough for that to not matter, which you have decent chances for at least.
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Was this a good starting sequence?

https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... s=87790301;

I am not usually a fan of those "everybody eats" brown powers, but these birds definitely helped, without hurting me too much.
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FrankJones wrote: 06 June 2025, 18:40 Was this a good starting sequence?

https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... s=87790301;

I am not usually a fan of those "everybody eats" brown powers, but these birds definitely helped, without hurting me too much.
You had a spare food that could have been Seed so that you could draw Blue Jay on your first turn. The turn you played Eastern Phoebe is also the turn you could have drawn a Mountain Chickadee.
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Ceaseless wrote: 06 June 2025, 19:02
FrankJones wrote: 06 June 2025, 18:40 Was this a good starting sequence?

https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... s=87790301;

I am not usually a fan of those "everybody eats" brown powers, but these birds definitely helped, without hurting me too much.
You had a spare food that could have been Seed so that you could draw Blue Jay on your first turn. The turn you played Eastern Phoebe is also the turn you could have drawn a Mountain Chickadee.
Yuck. I hate the Blue Jay.

But I think I recall seeing a surprising correction between that card and win rates.

The reason I did not draw the Chickadee is I wanted to draw cards without wasting an egg, and getting an extra point for the tuck and draw. I did risk that the opponent would draw it.. but that would still leave the Blue Jay if I were desperate.
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FrankJones wrote: 06 June 2025, 22:40
Ceaseless wrote: 06 June 2025, 19:02
FrankJones wrote: 06 June 2025, 18:40 Was this a good starting sequence?

https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... s=87790301;

I am not usually a fan of those "everybody eats" brown powers, but these birds definitely helped, without hurting me too much.
You had a spare food that could have been Seed so that you could draw Blue Jay on your first turn. The turn you played Eastern Phoebe is also the turn you could have drawn a Mountain Chickadee.
Yuck. I hate the Blue Jay.

But I think I recall seeing a surprising correction between that card and win rates.

The reason I did not draw the Chickadee is I wanted to draw cards without wasting an egg, and getting an extra point for the tuck and draw. I did risk that the opponent would draw it.. but that would still leave the Blue Jay if I were desperate.
It's a bird that gets you more food, which is very useful, especially at the start of the game. Sure, it requires there's Seed in the feeder, but the starting set alone had 3. The ability to take off in the early game like this shouldn't be underestimated.

You also really underestimate Chickadee, the number of times players use the forest is fairly high, so the card tends to rack up quite the score. The fact it was a playable forest bird for 1 food alone should have made it an easy pick for claiming the role of your second forest bird. You should have been quite concerned about your opponent getting it for their own second forest bird, especially since they already have Titmouse, an identical effect, which stack up.
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TheGreenClarinet wrote: 06 June 2025, 16:06
I haven’t had time to review the whole game but did take a look at your starting hand. For me, there’s one clear way to go. Keep hooded merganser, woodpecker + worm, seed, fish. Play merganser, lay eggs, and start digging through the deck. This way I’ve already gained 4 cards by the end of turn 4 and I still have a seed to play woodpecker. If I drew 4 truly awful cards, I’ll lay eggs again and draw more. Loon is much too slow because not only do I have to spend an entire turn drawing a single card, but then I still have to get the woodpecker down (for the egg space) before digging. This start (as is usually the case) is all about tempo, tempo, tempo. I want to see as many cards as possible as quickly as possible so I can start to develop some sort of early game strategy.

Two things I’m not focused on here are 1) the 1st end of round goal, and 2) developing my grassland early, although that could change if I luck out with an amazing draw. What I’m digging for is better card access - another wetland bird that is easy to get down and hopefully has a good brown power (draw and discard, tuck and draw)

All things considered, this isn’t a terrible start. I’ve got GREAT early food access (extra junk cards I draw can be tossed to gain 3 food in a single turn once the woodpecker goes down), and I can get to digging quickly. As a bonus, I already have 2 cavity nests for the 2nd EOR. I hope this is helpful for you!
Thank you for the reply

The hooded merganser is definitely better than the Harrier, but I didn't even consider it for some reason. I agree that start isn't terrible, but definitely not great, the situation was worsened by a bad plays and a bad draws.
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