What could I have done better in this game?

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FrankJones
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Re: What could I have done better in this game?

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Well, I had won 10 in a row, going from 184 to 345 Elo. With a lot of helpful luck.

Is there any way I can compete against a starting hand that had these three birds in it?

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=684508988

(Mallard, Mourning Dove, Chipping Sparrow)
Ceaseless
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Re: What could I have done better in this game?

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FrankJones wrote: 07 June 2025, 20:02 Well, I had won 10 in a row, going from 184 to 345 Elo. With a lot of helpful luck.

Is there any way I can compete against a starting hand that had these three birds in it?

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=684508988

(Mallard, Mourning Dove, Chipping Sparrow)
Unlikely, they may have well kept the Hawk as well, the 1 extra food wasn't really needed, but having an extra bird to help spam the forest would have been neat. I'd have probably kept your Hawk as well, the Cardinal's effect would give you spare fruit to 2 for 1 to have both forest birds played by turn 4, and from there you'd be able to get the food for Kingfisher. Also neat for fighting for the first two end of round goals, not to mention your bonus goals to fill your rows.
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Re: What could I have done better in this game?

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FrankJones wrote: 07 June 2025, 20:02 Well, I had won 10 in a row, going from 184 to 345 Elo. With a lot of helpful luck.

Is there any way I can compete against a starting hand that had these three birds in it?

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=684508988

(Mallard, Mourning Dove, Chipping Sparrow)
I watched this replay and there are some things I would have done differently from you, but I’m not really sure they would have resulted in a win as your opponent’s starting hand was really strong and incredibly lucky.

1) i personally would have played Northern Mockingbird in the forest as my second bird and not blue-winged warbler so then for any forest turn I would have got two cherries instead of one. But that’s personal taste, I tend to avoid playing the birds that have no power at all unless it’s near the end of the game and it helps me with a bonus goal. Even though they are worth a lot of points I feel like a bird worth less points but with a strong brown power can end up generating the same amount of points.

2) I don’t think I would have played Golden Eagle, I probably would have put chestnut-collared longspur in that position, although you were able to repeat the eagle’s power so it scored you a lot, at the same time the Chestnut-collared longspur had more egg space that would have given you more egg space in grassland overall than your opponent and able to win the EoR goal. But you still wouldn’t have won the game because your opponent did amazing on their bonus cards.
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The Eagle Ended up being worth 12 points. The Longspur is 5 + a bonus card plus some extra egg room - but, even with the egg space, I would not have had enough turns to get the 15 needed eggs to swipe the EOR goal.

Mockingbird in the forest is reasonable. Grassland was a gamble, but I usually want to point up my middle row. It was frustrating to draw zero playable birds for the grassland the entire game.

All in all, that was just a frustrating game start to finish. Opponent gets high bonus on two cards that are usually difficult to meet. One dice roll after another that had fish and cherries when I needed rats and worms. Etc.
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FrankJones wrote: 07 June 2025, 20:02 Well, I had won 10 in a row, going from 184 to 345 Elo. With a lot of helpful luck.

Is there any way I can compete against a starting hand that had these three birds in it?

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=684508988

(Mallard, Mourning Dove, Chipping Sparrow)
Not keeping Broad-Winged Hawk in the opening was quite a mistake. I couldn't say for sure just how much development you lost as a result, but having an extra forest bird would have been very helpful.

Move 78 you had no need to move Song Sparrow to the Grassland when you had plenty of eggs, the Wetland getting you cards would have been far more valuable.

Getting Northern Mockingbird into the forest probably wasn't a bad idea, saving Warbler for the future Grassland. I also wonder if playing Lincoln's Sparrow would have helped, an easy way to fill the forest and then shift gears to easily develop the Grassland.

You had first dibs on Wild Turkey, I'm not sure why you didn't take a high scoring bird that gives a major edge in the remaining two end of round goals.

I said it was unlikely you could have beaten that hand but looking at the full replay I'm not so sure anymore. There are a lot of things different plays would have changed, and I don't think it was impossible for you to have won all 4 end of round goals and scored more points in general. Your forest and Grassland were significantly underdeveloped compared to what it should have been.
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FrankJones wrote: 08 June 2025, 12:38 The Eagle Ended up being worth 12 points. The Longspur is 5 + a bonus card plus some extra egg room - but, even with the egg space, I would not have had enough turns to get the 15 needed eggs to swipe the EOR goal.

Mockingbird in the forest is reasonable. Grassland was a gamble, but I usually want to point up my middle row. It was frustrating to draw zero playable birds for the grassland the entire game.

All in all, that was just a frustrating game start to finish. Opponent gets high bonus on two cards that are usually difficult to meet. One dice roll after another that had fish and cherries when I needed rats and worms. Etc.
You had several playable Grassland birds in the game. The Lincoln's Sparrow you discarded that could have been used to back up your forest and end of round goals. The Wild Turkey you didn't take and that your opponent snatched up the instant they got the chance. No effects, but a high scoring point value and an incredible nest. You had more to work with than you thought you did.
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I meant, brown powers to go with my mockingbird that I played speculatively hoping I would get one.
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Re: What could I have done better in this game?

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Ceaseless wrote: 08 June 2025, 14:23
FrankJones wrote: 07 June 2025, 20:02 Well, I had won 10 in a row, going from 184 to 345 Elo. With a lot of helpful luck.

Is there any way I can compete against a starting hand that had these three birds in it?

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=684508988

(Mallard, Mourning Dove, Chipping Sparrow)
Not keeping Broad-Winged Hawk in the opening was quite a mistake. I couldn't say for sure just how much development you lost as a result, but having an extra forest bird would have been very helpful.

Move 78 you had no need to move Song Sparrow to the Grassland when you had plenty of eggs, the Wetland getting you cards would have been far more valuable.

Getting Northern Mockingbird into the forest probably wasn't a bad idea, saving Warbler for the future Grassland. I also wonder if playing Lincoln's Sparrow would have helped, an easy way to fill the forest and then shift gears to easily develop the Grassland.

You had first dibs on Wild Turkey, I'm not sure why you didn't take a high scoring bird that gives a major edge in the remaining two end of round goals.

I said it was unlikely you could have beaten that hand but looking at the full replay I'm not so sure anymore. There are a lot of things different plays would have changed, and I don't think it was impossible for you to have won all 4 end of round goals and scored more points in general. Your forest and Grassland were significantly underdeveloped compared to what it should have been.
The final score was close enough for me to agree that I could have won, despite being against a very strong opening hand.
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Re: What could I have done better in this game?

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I would really appreciate to have feedbacks about my last game (which I lost with only 73 points)

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=685029725

The start was very bad since I didn't get a second forest bird (or some other bird with ability to gain food) until turn 7.
I'm pretty sure I didn't do the right choices after that, especially on move 68, I should have play the Blue Gray Gnatcatcher, and then have the ability to gain lot of invertebrates, since it was important for lot of birds I had to play later. Particulary for the Black Necked Stilt, which was good for my bonus card, and to gain more cards to feed the Brewer's Blackbird that I already planned to play.

And I played it on move 95 when it was almost useless, instead of drawing Hummingbird (and Titemouse ?) and just play my last game part with grasslands / play forest bird. But I had not that much egg spaces...

Anyway. As we say, what could I have done better in this game ?
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kostinen wrote: 08 June 2025, 22:06 I would really appreciate to have feedbacks about my last game (which I lost with only 73 points)

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=685029725

The start was very bad since I didn't get a second forest bird (or some other bird with ability to gain food) until turn 7.
I'm pretty sure I didn't do the right choices after that, especially on move 68, I should have play the Blue Gray Gnatcatcher, and then have the ability to gain lot of invertebrates, since it was important for lot of birds I had to play later. Particulary for the Black Necked Stilt, which was good for my bonus card, and to gain more cards to feed the Brewer's Blackbird that I already planned to play.

And I played it on move 95 when it was almost useless, instead of drawing Hummingbird (and Titemouse ?) and just play my last game part with grasslands / play forest bird. But I had not that much egg spaces...

Anyway. As we say, what could I have done better in this game ?
Instead of Seed I'd have kept Rodent and used that for the Owl. The Invertebrate is a bit more flexible to hold on to, especially for what I mention next. (In light of that you also may have been better off of with smaller Wingspan bonus given the kind of birds you were seeking.)

House Wren should have had your attention early on. If you're willing to suffer a bit, you can have 2 forest birds and 1 wetland bird on the field by turn 5/6. (Draw Wren, play Loon, gain food, lay 1 egg, and play Wren and Owl for turn 5.) (Play Owl, gain food, play Loon, lay eggs, draw 2, play Wren for no effect turn 6. Your extra turn gave you an egg and a card.) Your 2 forest 1 wetland base is set. It makes me wince what you have to do for it, but it's settled.

You might think you can live off of drawing cards until you hit something and use your dead cards as forest fodder. That's fine, but Wren should have been drawn. A 1 food forest bird that can be played on the same turn as your third or fourth forest bird seems pretty useful. On turn 8 I'm not sure if not discarding a card (Whie Pelican) for another Seed was the right call. I guess you were saving up for Brewer's even then.

Gnat being played sooner might have given you some needed help in development instead of something like Barn Swallow, as you pointed out. Barn Swallow helped snatch a couple of points for end of round and you used it to get to Osprey with some egg speed up. That said, I don't think the tuck and draw for Osprey was that good at the time you chose to do it. I'd have just gained food instead, accepting having 1 less egg in exchange for 2 more food and an empty card instead of Osprey. You ended up fumbling the food issue looking for Invertebrate anyways, and this would have given it to you without hassle. Though I'd have just traded the two seed you had to play Gnatcatcher right away, the extra food for forest bird #4 and the Invertebrate for its effect trump the 1 food loss in the exchange.

Black Neck was a better card than you gave it credit for in game, if you were truly that desperate to keep all of your other cards you should have done a 2 for 1 food trade and played Black Next instead of Swan. Black Bird should not have been tucked, it would have been better not to Brewer's that turn than to get rid of Black Bird. Black Bird fitting your bonus and Brewer plans was rather helpful, as you pointed out.
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