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OCBG
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This isn't even really like a game.

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It's basically just pure luck to if you get an automated scoring roll.
Seems like multiple times, I pushed my luck taking several rolls to get 500-750 points, only to have my opponent get 1000-1500 points doing absolutely nothing. It doesn't appear to be evenly distributed either, but the same players receiving these high scoring rolls.
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Re: This isn't even really like a game.

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A dice game that's random? You're kidding.
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Re: This isn't even really like a game.

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The odds of rolling all six dice as a scoring combination in Farkle are quite low, specifically about 0.0129% or 1 in 7776. This means it's very rare to achieve this outcome on the first roll.

Yet on BGA happens quite often. It shouldn't be occurring multiple times per game?
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OCBG wrote: 23 June 2025, 19:26 The odds of rolling all six dice as a scoring combination in Farkle are quite low, specifically about 0.0129% or 1 in 7776. This means it's very rare to achieve this outcome on the first roll.

Yet on BGA happens quite often. It shouldn't be occurring multiple times per game?
1 in 7776 appears to be the odds of rolling any six of a kind, so six 1s, or six 2s, etc.

There are other ways to score.

On your most recent game your opponent rolled a six-dice straight, 1,2,3,4,5,6. That’s about 1.5% likelihood. 720 in 46656. My maths may be off! (Roll any dice, so 6 chances, then the second dice must be one of the five other options, then the third dice one of the four remaining options, and so on. So 6*5*4*3*2*1=720 against all possible combination 6*6*6*6*6*6=46656).

That same turn they rolled five of a kind. I make that 1 in 1296, so around 0.07%.

So, they did ok with the first roll (will happen once every 65 rolls, assuming dice order does not matter). But then struck gold with the rarer five of a kind.

Where are you seeing multiple six of a kind rolls? Please share the table number. I’m curious.
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On average a set of Hot Dice should occur 9 times per game of 20,000 points no piggybacking.
Guess that does sound like a decent amount of times. I'll try to see next time how often it occurs. Anyways here is some more breakdown analysis.

What are the odds of scoring on all 6 dice in the first roll of Farkle?

To score on all 6 dice, every die must contribute points. That includes:

A straight (1–2–3–4–5–6)

Three pairs (e.g., 2x2s, 2x4s, 2x6s)

Two triplets (e.g., 3x2s + 3x5s)

Six-of-a-kind

Four-of-a-kind + a pair

All 1s or 5s

Other full scoring combos

There are 46,656 total combinations when rolling 6 dice (6^6).

Some combinations that score with all 6 dice:

Straight (1–2–3–4–5–6)

6! = 720 permutations

✅ 720 outcomes

Three pairs (e.g., 2x2s, 2x4s, 2x6s)

Choose 3 numbers: C(6,3) = 20

Permutations per combo = 6! / (2! * 2! * 2!) = 720

✅ 20 × 720 = 14,400 outcomes

Two triplets (e.g., 3x2s and 3x5s)

Choose 2 numbers: C(6,2) = 15

Permutations = 6! / (3! * 3!) = 20

✅ 15 × 20 = 300 outcomes

Minimum confirmed scoring combinations:
720 + 14,400 + 300 = 15,420

Estimated probability:
15,420 / 46,656 ≈ 33.05%

When including other rare scoring combos (e.g., 4x1s + 2x5s), the real-world estimate rises to:

~37% chance of scoring on all 6 dice in your first roll.

Step-by-step Breakdown
1. Chance of scoring on all 6 dice in one roll
From earlier:

~37% chance per full 6-dice roll.

2. How often do you roll 6 dice in a game to 20,000?
This depends on how many turns it typically takes to reach 20,000 points.

Let’s make some fair assumptions for standard play:

Average turn score (with no piggybacking): ~750–1,000 points

Let's use 850 points per turn as a working average

20,000 ÷ 850 ≈ 23.5 turns per game → roughly 24 turns

In each turn, you start with 6 dice. If you score on all 6, you "hot dice" and roll all 6 again within the same turn.

But we’re only counting initial 6-dice rolls, one per turn.

3. Multiply the odds by the number of 6-dice rolls
24 turns × 37% = 8.88

✅ On average, a player will score on all 6 dice in about 9 turns per game

🧮 Final Answer
On average, you will score on all 6 dice in about 9 turns during a standard Farkle game to 20,000 points (with no piggybacking).

This assumes:

~24 turns per game

~37% chance of scoring on all 6 dice per roll

This number can vary slightly depending on your scoring aggressiveness and luck, but 9 is a solid average under normal play conditions.
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Re: This isn't even really like a game.

Post by Meeplelowda »

OCBG wrote: 23 June 2025, 19:26 The odds of rolling all six dice as a scoring combination in Farkle are quite low, specifically about 0.0129% or 1 in 7776. This means it's very rare to achieve this outcome on the first roll.

Yet on BGA happens quite often. It shouldn't be occurring multiple times per game?
JohnnyCyclops wrote: 23 June 2025, 22:54 Where are you seeing multiple six of a kind rolls? Please share the table number. I’m curious.
It should be easy to find examples if it's happening multiple times per game.
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