Not 4 complexity

[87ii]

I’ve been enjoying the game so far, and it’s been fun,

But this game is not 4/5 on complexity scale. I can agree with interaction being 4/5.

Complexity would not be higher than 3/5.
Strategy I’m not sure about. It could be 3 or 4.
Luck seems fine at 2/5
Interaction seems fit at 4/5

[SunflourGully]

Not saying you are wrong but generally best not to make judgments on a game with 4 days put into it. I felt I "understood Zenith" at 100 games played. Then I "understood Zenith" again at 200 games. Then again at 300. Each time, my "understanding" was far different than it was before. This game offers a lot of nuance you might not see at first.

[Mathouchat]

It has a lot of nuances but it doesn't mean it's complex. I actually agree 3/5 would probably be more accurate. You can also enjoy the game by playing it casually and the rules are quite straightforward (almost everything written on the cards).

[uo111]

Can you guys explain how this is 2/5 luck? My games usually seem to end in one player waiting to draw better influence cards than the other, or better zenith producing cards to end the game with technology (if they can draw the right race to actually play the technology, that is).

I’m struggling to feel like I have more agency.

[87ii]

It’s 2/5 luck becuase the only luck aspect is the cards, there is no dice everytime u place a card if it suceedes or not. The only other luck aspects of what tech tree there is and what cards are drawn from card draw abilities. Or such luck from random tiles, but for the most part, it dosent have that much luck. There can be unlucky moments where u don’t draw the icon needed to complete your research and things like that. At max I would put luck at 3. There is also some luck aspect if you build a huge engine and just hope you draw all the expensive cards so it’s worth it.

And as for complexity, I’ve now reach 325 elo, won a bunch while playing on my phone, and yes I will keep my rating at 3/5 instead of the current 4/5.

As a player who plays more in depth strategy games such as Star Wars rebellion, or eclipse or, lots more others, there are many ranges to complexity, usually it refers to how much content you must understand and mechanics you wrap your head around. As for this game, there are only really 3 main components: tech, tug of war influence board, and engine building. As to many other board games, rating this a 4/5 would just not fit right, that only gives one spot left for big games.

[Nolyurn]

Imo for the game i played i'd say :
Complexity 3 i agree there is not so much mechanics

Strategy 3 you can't see enough in the future in my opinion to build real strategy without gambling, but yeah there is strategy to build, 4 is not so bad as a rating, would probably personnaly up to 4/5 if there was a mechanisms to see the 3 or 5 next cards, maybe would broke the game and advantage too much player 1 but not so sure there is probably way to equilibrate that, i think that could be an interresting rule.

Luck 3, because there's some card that can really flip a bit the game, like i play risky, have no money and finally and up with a +10 and be finally totaly fine. Or draw no big card when you have good setup. Can't find symbol of technology you're building. Mobilize card is really random too. There is too much lack of control in many situation to put luck 3/5.
When a game like splendor duel have 3/5 as luck, for me it's a joke because i feel having so much more control in Splendor Duel than in Zenith.

Interaction 4, the rating is good there imo, you interact with board and resource of other player. There's bonus, that are shared.