Discards should go to bottom of deck

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AnimatorVeritas
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Discards should go to bottom of deck

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I have noticed that I keep getting the same Destinations when I draw. The cards should go to the bottom of the deck and then be reshuffled. It is statistically a lot worse to keep redrawing routes that you have already discarded. You also should be able to know that no one else can draw these destinations until a shuffle occurs. This is how the board game Ticket to Ride works.
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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This is how it should work on BGA as well. If you think it doesn't, please post a link to a game in which this didn't happen and/or open a bug report
DrakeStorm wrote: 14 December 2024, 02:47 So the designer, the developer, the publisher, top players, and most sane people agree that any kind of blocking is ok, but apparently that just isn't good enough to end this argument.
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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My observations are from hundreds of games played. To show it, I would post two screenshots of the same destination card. It would be difficult to tell if a shuffle happened.

I really can't screenshot every card pick I make in hopes that the same destination card will show up before a shuffle. That is a tall ask.

I hope the person replying is a programmer who knows the specific code. The card should go back in "Without replacement" and there should be code to handle the cards remaining in the deck and code for the discards, and code for the shuffling. If this is not the case, and the cards are mixed on each discard, then this will keep happening.

Thank you, and thank you for only replying if you are a programmer, or have checked with the programmers.

I appreciate this.
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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AnimatorVeritas wrote: 30 June 2025, 23:13 My observations are from hundreds of games played. To show it, I would post two screenshots of the same destination card. It would be difficult to tell if a shuffle happened.

I really can't screenshot every card pick I make in hopes that the same destination card will show up before a shuffle. That is a tall ask.

I hope the person replying is a programmer who knows the specific code. The card should go back in "Without replacement" and there should be code to handle the cards remaining in the deck and code for the discards, and code for the shuffling. If this is not the case, and the cards are mixed on each discard, then this will keep happening.

Thank you, and thank you for only replying if you are a programmer, or have checked with the programmers.

I appreciate this.
So post one of the games... There's no need to individually screenshot anything...
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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AnimatorVeritas wrote: 30 June 2025, 23:13My observations are from hundreds of games played.
To debug, the devs need to know exactly when this happened. You don't need screencaps; just be very specific referring to the table number (which is part of the URL) and the move number (which you can see in the upper-left corner of the window). For example: "at table 689994625, move #131, I drew the Vancouver to Santa Fe destination, which I had already seen at the start of the game, and there had been no shuffle in the meantime." Post that in the report you create at https://boardgamearena.com/bugs and/or post something like that in this thread. It is not a tall ask. Even though it refers to only one instance of the bug occurring, the specificity is much more useful than a statement like "I've seen this in hundreds of games."
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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AnimatorVeritas wrote: 30 June 2025, 23:13 My observations are from hundreds of games played. To show it, I would post two screenshots of the same destination card. It would be difficult to tell if a shuffle happened.
Just post a link to a replay, noone ever mentioned screenshots
DrakeStorm wrote: 14 December 2024, 02:47 So the designer, the developer, the publisher, top players, and most sane people agree that any kind of blocking is ok, but apparently that just isn't good enough to end this argument.
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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Mathew5000 wrote: 02 July 2025, 20:13
AnimatorVeritas wrote: 30 June 2025, 23:13My observations are from hundreds of games played.
To debug, the devs need to know exactly when this happened. You don't need screencaps; just be very specific referring to the table number (which is part of the URL) and the move number (which you can see in the upper-left corner of the window). For example: "at table 689994625, move #131, I drew the Vancouver to Santa Fe destination, which I had already seen at the start of the game, and there had been no shuffle in the meantime." Post that in the report you create at https://boardgamearena.com/bugs and/or post something like that in this thread. It is not a tall ask. Even though it refers to only one instance of the bug occurring, the specificity is much more useful than a statement like "I've seen this in hundreds of games."
I don't think we need to reshuffle tickets?
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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ExaltedAngel wrote: 30 June 2025, 03:30 This is how it should work on BGA as well. If you think it doesn't, please post a link to a game in which this didn't happen and/or open a bug report
Thanks for this! I will look to do so. This could take a little time.
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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Late in the game AnimatorVeritas sees the following routes for a second time:

Houston - Washington
Vancouver - Montreal

The deck shows as still about half full.

A replay should show this. I replayed it a couple of times.

Please check into this.

https://boardgamearena.com/16/tickettor ... =701415984

Let me know if I show log a bug for this as well

Thank you!
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Re: Discards should go to bottom of deck

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AnimatorVeritas wrote: 15 July 2025, 06:58 Late in the game AnimatorVeritas sees the following routes for a second time:

Houston - Washington
Vancouver - Montreal

The deck shows as still about half full.

A replay should show this. I replayed it a couple of times.

Please check into this.

https://boardgamearena.com/16/tickettor ... =701415984

Let me know if I show log a bug for this as well

Thank you!
Move 201 and 250 are when those pairs are seen (I checked 1 turn before to see the visuals). Before the original pair seeing were 4 original keeps (5 apiece for 20 tickets total) and 4 more additional keeps (4 apiece for 16 total). That's 36 tickets burned through before checking 4 more for the first pair, meaning 40 tickets have been used up by the time you've finished looking for the first time. Between those pairs of moves were 11 ticket viewings (4 apiece for 44 total). You've gone through 84 tickets by this point. The original game has 30 tickets when I checked, and a quick google search says the expansion added 35 more for a total of 65. The original pair were seen within the first 65 tickets, and the second pair were seen after the first 65, meaning you should have reset the deck assuming all of my figures so far were correct.
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