You Win card

[Rikhavok]

Hey. I feel that the 12 You win card, just like the 7 opponents lose 4 should be an optional remove. Most everyone I know remove them from their box in the real world. I think both cards are out of character for the game.

Can you please add it so that both cards can be removed from play?

[Rikhavok]

I am just done with the you win card. so, I guess I am done with Space Base on BGA until they add this option.

It turns out that BGA doesn't seem to listen to it's users here, they listen to the Company that owns the rights to the game. Since a lot of people want this, it is kind of sad really as an optional choice should be available to anyone and easy to implement since they already have 1 card set up this way. And if a player doesn't want to play by certain chosen options, they can choose not to join that game. I'll bet more people would implement the no "12 you Win" card routinely though.

Anyways, since BGA and the BGA Space Base Developer won't listen to users that want this, I wrote to a contact of mine at AEG to see if there was something they could do.

Until then, no more Space Base for me on BGA.

If you want to play Space Base with me, feel free to reach out and we can play a really nice version on Tabletop Simulator. Speaking of which TTS has a ton more games without a monthly fee.

[Meeplelowda]

It turns out that BGA doesn't seem to listen to it's users here, they listen to the Company that owns the rights to the game.

Umm, yeah, that's kinda the definition of owning the rights to the game.

[Jellby]

Don't listen to users: some users may stop playing the game.
Don't listen to the owner: they may pull out the game from BGA and then all users will stop playing the game.

Which one would you choose?

[Solarman9]

I don't think there needs to be a second thread where you whine about this card. I have never removed this card in real life, and have never had a problem with it. I have played over 5k+ games of space base on here and can tell you that it loses more then it wins.

I have played enough games to be a guru for space base. I can make suggestions. The -4/-3 7 card was removed because it was abused almost every game it was played. People would buy it straight off and it is on the most commonly rolled number odds-wise(not for this website, but that's a different ridiculous topic*). This would make games take 2-3X as long and made several players stop playing because they viewed it almost as bullying type mechanic. It was beatable, but some games it made people quit just to actually play a game where you could score.

The you win is not as easy as it looks. It can be made easier with the 6 and 8 charge move but people catch on to that. A lot of arena games people see you buy the 6 or 8 and they try to get the you win even if they aren't going to use it. The you win is not abusive. I am sorry you want to take your toys and go home, but bga doesn't really care.

*there have been 19 games that I have counted where 7 has not rolled. The odds for that are ridiculous

[King_Taravangian]

Don't listen to users: some users may stop playing the game.
Don't listen to the owner: they may pull out the game from BGA and then all users will stop playing the game.

Which one would you choose?

This^

On the matter of the card: I've played over 2300 games of Space Base on BGA and I think I lost to the "You win card" about 10 times and don't remember ever winning with it myself. It is unpleasant, especially if you don't follow what your oponnents are doing, but it doesn't seem OP to me. You have to switch sectors or have lots of backing cards (arrows, +1, +2, place cube) for it to actually be dangerous.

I like having multiple ways to win, not only grinding for production or buying colony cards as most people do.
But, hey! I'm one of those people who also enjoys playing with the Gordon, so maybe I am the exception

[Dullorb]

Anecdotally, in hundreds of games I've played I have only seen it work twice. Once on BGA I bought it in desperation after I realized my opponents were too far ahead of my in VP to catch up and even with some support cards I only barely managed to trigger it before they hit 40. The other time was at a friend's house and another player actually triggered it AFTER someone else hit 40. It was pretty sweet to see that last minute snatching of victory from the jaws of defeat.

The one time I did it on BGA my friend who plays more often then I do expressed jealousy because he had tried numerous times to win with it and he had never succeeded.

[Cos-]

We already had a recent thread about this card: https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41549

As I said there, I think this card is hard to use well, the person with it doesn't win most games I've seen, and I see no reason to remove it from the game. But this card is annoying for exactly one reason: It causes people to keep making threads like this

[rekkless]

the only time you win card is overpowered is in light speed variant when it and the 6 place a charge anywhere card are both available on turn 1, then either someone else has to sacrifice their game to stop you by taking the other half or you just win in 10ish rounds consistently. it would be nice if they couldn't both appear on starting turn for purchase together but doesnt happen often enough to break the game

[Cappa]

No one regularly removes the You Win 12 card in any Space base.

The most controversial card is the 7 Gordon.

The 12 win takes a LOT of work to set up. Sure you can get lucky on rolls and draws but it's also VERY easy to block that strategy i.e. block useful cards like the 6 and 8 place cube anywhere, block the switch card number slots, block the you win card etc