Abundance - Strange leaf interaction

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Wlaad
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Abundance - Strange leaf interaction

Post by Wlaad »

Hello everyone, I'm just posting it there for the record. I dont think this is really a bug, even if i suspect it would not happen similarly in a real tabletop game.
I was in a tournament game (against MasterGaster, hello if you pass by o/), and I didnt played the first turns very well. As my opponent chose the green action, to avoid a non-planting turn, i converted one leef into a seed (into 2 soils).
Later in the game, we both completed the 3 same fauna objectives, and both missing the same last one. On the very last turn, I manage to complete my board before my opponent + complete this last objective. But I have only one leaf left.

I did not know what would happen. I checked Abundance rules on BGG. It says nothing about such a situation, but we can read : "Players should be aware that Leaves cannot reenter play—therefore, by converting a Leaf token into a Seed, a player will have fewer Leaf tokens available to claim Fauna objectives and/or the tableau completion bonus." This "and/or" let me think I could chose where my last leaf would have go. My goal was to steal the objective and cancel board completion for both me and my opponent.

Well, we discovered that the game put my last leaf on the fauna objective, as intended, and my opponent (whom have completed it on this same last turn) get the second position of that objective. But, at the same time, my opponent also get the 11 bonus points for board completion, even if he was not first to complete it (we did it at the same time, but it was my turn).

So it is possible to get the 11 points of board completion without being actually the first to complete it ! And now you know it too :)
FrankJones
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Re: Abundance - Strange leaf interaction

Post by FrankJones »

That is a bizarre situation.
You cannot claim it because you have no leaf? (I have never played this expansion.)
Your opponent should not be able to claim it either, since your opponent did not actually complete the board first.
At least, that would be my interpretation.

What exactly could be so important to do with a leaf that would be worth giving up so many points?
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Timm-E
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Re: Abundance - Strange leaf interaction

Post by Timm-E »

Sometimes you foresee that you cannot complete a goal or the board, so you convert it into a seed before the end of the game. I think it is a nice consideration.

However, if the rules do not specify this, i would say that the game should let you decide where to put it. Giving the full comletion bonus to your opponent would really be weird. Hasnt this topic been raised on BGG?

Edit: if you read this thread, i think the situation that you described really is a bug:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/341983 ... ring-the-g
The game can end without anybody claiming the 11VP bonus at the end. This happens if the closing player doesn't have a leaf remaining anymore
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Re: Abundance - Strange leaf interaction

Post by FrankJones »

Has this been confirmed as a bug? And if so, has it been reported?

To the OP, if you're still around, could you post the table number?
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