Friendly robber again

[Vixen]

I think this "friendly" idea is exploited and used as a tactic or a way to gain unfair advantage by some players.

Recently, I played a game, in which a player bought 4 development cards while having 2 open points and claimed we can rob from him or even put a robber on a field he shares with other player as he has "only" 2 points and we agreed for a friendly.

For me, it was the last time I agreed to that as I don't like being bamboozled by people.

[Jellby]

There's nothing unfair if it applies to all players. Do they get an advantage by buying cards and not building? You could do the same.

[Theana]

There's nothing unfair if it applies to all players. Do they get an advantage by buying cards and not building? You could do the same.

Or, and I know sounds crazy, do not join tables where Friendly Robber is not enable.

If anyone wants to play FR, they should pick the table with the right settings. There are no more excuses for misunderstandings of requests, and I think that those that wants to ruin others game should be somehow reported.

[lazialos]

Honestly Friendly robber is making my Catan experience worse and worse.

I started a game in Arena, one player (I imagine I cannot write his name) asked to play in Friendly robber until 3. I don't like it, but I always respect it. my both rivals agreed FR mode. 2 is more than one and democracy is democracy so I don't use my first 7. In the second 7, the player who asked for Friendly mode wrote "open robber" (it means, "I have 3 points, you both have 2, I have a 7, so... I am going to rob). I wrote I don't like that, despite he didn't rob me, but this is not the case. After that he robbed me with 2 points, he attacked me and he wrote he robbed me because my "bad attitude".
He won the game, but I didn't enjoy to play that game. It is a tricky way to win with no consequences. Play with a flexible rule is difficult. 3 points??? 3 points or 2 dev cards??? Not more FR when the first player gets 3 points (never seen it, but today one player did that).

I use a red flag and report, but that situation made me angry and sad with something I love (playing Catan).

Not sure about the opinion of Klaus Teber about this, but it is an open door to trick, to have problems and to be angry playing Catan.

Because the other issue is when I steal with my first seven (the first seven). Normally, after that, I am robbed all the time and I have to read text a little bit menacing. "Ok, you decide not FR". "Really??? Not FR???!!!!". "I think it is better not using the first seven, now we will rob you because you have not been fair", etc.

I am upset with this. More than a long time.

I will appreciate your comments on favour or not.

James, American boy, now you can explain why you think is normal to use the robber with players with 2 points after agreed Friendly robber mode.
Maybe you play on that way at your home???

Thanks to understand.

PyU

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

Personally, I don't care... And I never play revengeful, no matter what. So if u don't play Friendly robber, fine by me... BUT, if u do so, I will try to use this against you and turn the other player against you, because this will work to my advantage. I find it to be exactly the same with trying to persuade someone that u r the biggest threat and that u should be blocked all the time.

The social aspect of the game, is very important in Catan. And u should always keep that in mind. So play accordingly. If u feel confident about your initial placements and your strategy, then go easy and agree with Friendly robber. If you want to attack an opponent that u feel has an advantage, then attack and steal, but face the consequences.

U mention some games that someone breaks the Friendly robber agreement to his advantage... I believe that this has not happened to you more than 1 or 2 times. But even so, turn the other player against him, and punish him.

And maybe someone buys a lot of development cards, but intentionally keeps his board points at two... Maybe not that straight forward , but also not against the rules or the agreement made... U can do the same.

Do u generally play slow? Do u think a lot? Do you offer a lot of trades? Do u reject almost every trade offer? All these things can turn somebody against u, just like the thing with the Friendly robber.

If u don't enjoy this aspect of the game, then a part of you does not like catan.

[Theana]

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

So previous arena season if we didn't want to play FR we were forced to play by the rules, but is perfectly fine to change them and at one's convenience now that FR is not enabled and get upset if someone disagrees on that.

Doesn't sound fair...playing arena is not mandatory and is not a need. It is a competition, if one doesn't like the rules pr just wants to "play for fun" there are other options, for example looking for settings they like.

And I do play for fun and fun for me means do not get stressed playing a game from entitled people

[Vad55]

Honestly Friendly robber is making my Catan experience worse and worse.

I started a game in Arena, one player (I imagine I cannot write his name) asked to play in Friendly robber until 3. I don't like it, but I always respect it. my both rivals agreed FR mode. 2 is more than one and democracy is democracy so I don't use my first 7. In the second 7, the player who asked for Friendly mode wrote "open robber" (it means, "I have 3 points, you both have 2, I have a 7, so... I am going to rob). I wrote I don't like that, despite he didn't rob me, but this is not the case. After that he robbed me with 2 points, he attacked me and he wrote he robbed me because my "bad attitude".
He won the game, but I didn't enjoy to play that game. It is a tricky way to win with no consequences. Play with a flexible rule is difficult. 3 points??? 3 points or 2 dev cards??? Not more FR when the first player gets 3 points (never seen it, but today one player did that).

I use a red flag and report, but that situation made me angry and sad with something I love (playing Catan).

Not sure about the opinion of Klaus Teber about this, but it is an open door to trick, to have problems and to be angry playing Catan.

Because the other issue is when I steal with my first seven (the first seven). Normally, after that, I am robbed all the time and I have to read text a little bit menacing. "Ok, you decide not FR". "Really??? Not FR???!!!!". "I think it is better not using the first seven, now we will rob you because you have not been fair", etc.

I am upset with this. More than a long time.

I will appreciate your comments on favour or not.

James, American boy, now you can explain why you think is normal to use the robber with players with 2 points after agreed Friendly robber mode.
Maybe you play on that way at your home???

Thanks to understand.

PyU

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

Personally, I don't care... And I never play revengeful, no matter what. So if u don't play Friendly robber, fine by me... BUT, if u do so, I will try to use this against you and turn the other player against you, because this will work to my advantage. I find it to be exactly the same with trying to persuade someone that u r the biggest threat and that u should be blocked all the time.

The social aspect of the game, is very important in Catan. And u should always keep that in mind. So play accordingly. If u feel confident about your initial placements and your strategy, then go easy and agree with Friendly robber. If you want to attack an opponent that u feel has an advantage, then attack and steal, but face the consequences.

U mention some games that someone breaks the Friendly robber agreement to his advantage... I believe that this has not happened to you more than 1 or 2 times. But even so, turn the other player against him, and punish him.

And maybe someone buys a lot of development cards, but intentionally keeps his board points at two... Maybe not that straight forward , but also not against the rules or the agreement made... U can do the same.

Do u generally play slow? Do u think a lot? Do you offer a lot of trades? Do u reject almost every trade offer? All these things can turn somebody against u, just like the thing with the Friendly robber.

If u don't enjoy this aspect of the game, then a part of you does not like catan.

It's not quite like that. Or rather, it's not like that at all. You're talking about some kind of agreement to use a friendly robber. That's the point, someone voluntarily introduces this rule, only formally asking the opponent. For example, I never respond to such "offers". But if I get 7 and I rob someone, then there follows indignation that I'm not playing fairly, although I never agreed to this rule. Therefore, I have a deal with a deceiver - a provocateur who tells everyone that there was some kind of agreement, and I allegedly violated it.

[lazialos]

Honestly Friendly robber is making my Catan experience worse and worse.

I started a game in Arena, one player (I imagine I cannot write his name) asked to play in Friendly robber until 3. I don't like it, but I always respect it. my both rivals agreed FR mode. 2 is more than one and democracy is democracy so I don't use my first 7. In the second 7, the player who asked for Friendly mode wrote "open robber" (it means, "I have 3 points, you both have 2, I have a 7, so... I am going to rob). I wrote I don't like that, despite he didn't rob me, but this is not the case. After that he robbed me with 2 points, he attacked me and he wrote he robbed me because my "bad attitude".
He won the game, but I didn't enjoy to play that game. It is a tricky way to win with no consequences. Play with a flexible rule is difficult. 3 points??? 3 points or 2 dev cards??? Not more FR when the first player gets 3 points (never seen it, but today one player did that).

I use a red flag and report, but that situation made me angry and sad with something I love (playing Catan).

Not sure about the opinion of Klaus Teber about this, but it is an open door to trick, to have problems and to be angry playing Catan.

Because the other issue is when I steal with my first seven (the first seven). Normally, after that, I am robbed all the time and I have to read text a little bit menacing. "Ok, you decide not FR". "Really??? Not FR???!!!!". "I think it is better not using the first seven, now we will rob you because you have not been fair", etc.

I am upset with this. More than a long time.

I will appreciate your comments on favour or not.

James, American boy, now you can explain why you think is normal to use the robber with players with 2 points after agreed Friendly robber mode.
Maybe you play on that way at your home???

Thanks to understand.

PyU

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

Personally, I don't care... And I never play revengeful, no matter what. So if u don't play Friendly robber, fine by me... BUT, if u do so, I will try to use this against you and turn the other player against you, because this will work to my advantage. I find it to be exactly the same with trying to persuade someone that u r the biggest threat and that u should be blocked all the time.

The social aspect of the game, is very important in Catan. And u should always keep that in mind. So play accordingly. If u feel confident about your initial placements and your strategy, then go easy and agree with Friendly robber. If you want to attack an opponent that u feel has an advantage, then attack and steal, but face the consequences.

U mention some games that someone breaks the Friendly robber agreement to his advantage... I believe that this has not happened to you more than 1 or 2 times. But even so, turn the other player against him, and punish him.

And maybe someone buys a lot of development cards, but intentionally keeps his board points at two... Maybe not that straight forward , but also not against the rules or the agreement made... U can do the same.

Do u generally play slow? Do u think a lot? Do you offer a lot of trades? Do u reject almost every trade offer? All these things can turn somebody against u, just like the thing with the Friendly robber.

If u don't enjoy this aspect of the game, then a part of you does not like catan.

It's not quite like that. Or rather, it's not like that at all. You're talking about some kind of agreement to use a friendly robber. That's the point, someone voluntarily introduces this rule, only formally asking the opponent. For example, I never respond to such "offers". But if I get 7 and I rob someone, then there follows indignation that I'm not playing fairly, although I never agreed to this rule. Therefore, I have a deal with a deceiver - a provocateur who tells everyone that there was some kind of agreement, and I allegedly violated it.

Who said u r not playing fair if u dont comply with friendly robber? U r 100% fair. BUT, whether you like it or not, u give the other 2 players a reason to target u, and this is to their advantage. This is also fair.

Catan is full with similar situations... U trade 2 rocks for a sheep and then u use a monopoly to get the rocks back... Fair, but u will be targeted after that.

U block and steal from a specific player all the time, u will get targeted by him when the time comes. U steal a spot from a player with 2 unexpected roads u will be targeted... U play slowly, u overthink, u propose too many trades, u might piss somebody off. This is catan. There is no fair or unfair. There is legal and illegal. There is smart and dumb. There are good choices and bad choices.

I laughed really hard when u used the word 'deceiver' regarding catan... Really now?

[lazialos]

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

So previous arena season if we didn't want to play FR we were forced to play by the rules, but is perfectly fine to change them and at one's convenience now that FR is not enabled and get upset if someone disagrees on that.

Doesn't sound fair...playing arena is not mandatory and is not a need. It is a competition, if one doesn't like the rules pr just wants to "play for fun" there are other options, for example looking for settings they like.

And I do play for fun and fun for me means do not get stressed playing a game from entitled people

U r still missing the point. They don't get actually that upset. U just offered them a reason to target u, and they will use this to their advantage. Simple as that.

If u see the game that competitive, then u should expect a certain level of stress. And in a competitive game like catan, I will try to turn everyone against u. That's the point.

[Vad55]

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

So previous arena season if we didn't want to play FR we were forced to play by the rules, but is perfectly fine to change them and at one's convenience now that FR is not enabled and get upset if someone disagrees on that.

Doesn't sound fair...playing arena is not mandatory and is not a need. It is a competition, if one doesn't like the rules pr just wants to "play for fun" there are other options, for example looking for settings they like.

And I do play for fun and fun for me means do not get stressed playing a game from entitled people

U r still missing the point. They don't get actually that upset. U just offered them a reason to target u, and they will use this to their advantage. Simple as that.

If u see the game that competitive, then u should expect a certain level of stress. And in a competitive game like catan, I will try to turn everyone against u. That's the point.

Illogical behavior. While the "offended" will take revenge on the player who did not fulfill his order, and he will probably respond in kind - the 3rd participant will move forward and get a good chance to win. That is, for the "offended" it is more important to leave the player who stole the resource from him in 3rd place than to take 1st place himself. I see this in the rating - as a rule, those who play like this do not have a very high rating. That is, this is simply an inadequate player who should be blocked on the platform - since the goal of his game is not to get 1st place, but for someone to get the last place

[Vad55]

The thing with the Friendly robber is that previous arena seasons, had it enabled. This means that u had to play Friendly robber whether u liked it or not. So many players, are used to playing that way. Also, don't forget that a lot of people play for fun. And Friendly robber usually makes the game more fun for players who are not too competitive.

This season however, Friendly robber is disabled. However, this does not mean that u have to attack and rob when the first 7 is rolled. And it is not against the rules if a player asks for Friendly robber. It is an agreement between players. Not illegal. And this is where the social aspect of the game kicks in.

So previous arena season if we didn't want to play FR we were forced to play by the rules, but is perfectly fine to change them and at one's convenience now that FR is not enabled and get upset if someone disagrees on that.

Doesn't sound fair...playing arena is not mandatory and is not a need. It is a competition, if one doesn't like the rules pr just wants to "play for fun" there are other options, for example looking for settings they like.

And I do play for fun and fun for me means do not get stressed playing a game from entitled people

U r still missing the point. They don't get actually that upset. U just offered them a reason to target u, and they will use this to their advantage. Simple as that.

If u see the game that competitive, then u should expect a certain level of stress. And in a competitive game like catan, I will try to turn everyone against u. That's the point.

I have seen this tactic in other games: player A constantly attacks player B, hoping that player B will fight for 1st place, which means playing 50/50 against player A and C. In most cases, player B will of course take 3rd place. Therefore, when I see this tactic in games where skill is more important than luck, I just go for 2nd place, and leave the inadequate in 3rd place. But in Catan a lot depends on luck, this tactic does not always work.