Sponsors 3 Frustration

[LYHDoc]

So I got a ruling on this when I submitted it as a bug, but I can't see why, when playing the upgraded Sponsors 3 card in Marine Worlds, that you can't discard a card at any time during your turn to reduce the cost of a played sponsor by 2 strength. I wasted 2 Xs and a turn trying to play 2 sponsors because all the game would let me do is discard a card for 4 money. I saw in the bug report that someone else submitted that the glossary clearly states that the card must be discarded first but that is not at all clear from my glossary:

3 | Side I: In addition to your action, you may discard 1 Sponsor card to gain
4 money. You may do this before or after your Sponsors action. You may
do this no matter whether you play a Sponsor card or choose the Break
option. Side II: Same as Side I, but you may discard any card (not just a
Sponsor card) to either gain 4 money (like Side I) or to reduce the level of
a Sponsor card you play with this action by 2.

Does anyone have the source for why the card must be discarded first for the -2 cost but not for the 4 money? (Yes, in the future, I will discard first but it would have been nice to know that in advance).

[Tisaac]

So I got a ruling on this when I submitted it as a bug, but I can't see why, when playing the upgraded Sponsors 3 card in Marine Worlds, that you can't discard a card at any time during your turn to reduce the cost of a played sponsor by 2 strength. I wasted 2 Xs and a turn trying to play 2 sponsors because all the game would let me do is discard a card for 4 money. I saw in the bug report that someone else submitted that the glossary clearly states that the card must be discarded first but that is not at all clear from my glossary:

3 | Side I: In addition to your action, you may discard 1 Sponsor card to gain
4 money. You may do this before or after your Sponsors action. You may
do this no matter whether you play a Sponsor card or choose the Break
option. Side II: Same as Side I, but you may discard any card (not just a
Sponsor card) to either gain 4 money (like Side I) or to reduce the level of
a Sponsor card you play with this action by 2.

Does anyone have the source for why the card must be discarded first for the -2 cost but not for the 4 money? (Yes, in the future, I will discard first but it would have been nice to know that in advance).

Which part of the quote is not explicit to you ? Side I clearly states it must done before or after, and side II goes "same as side I".
Maybe the wording was overlooked by designer so feel free to make a bgg thread asking for official clarification but otherwise i will keep it working that way in the meantime because that's more consistent with all the new sponsor action cards

[LYHDoc]

So I got a ruling on this when I submitted it as a bug, but I can't see why, when playing the upgraded Sponsors 3 card in Marine Worlds, that you can't discard a card at any time during your turn to reduce the cost of a played sponsor by 2 strength. I wasted 2 Xs and a turn trying to play 2 sponsors because all the game would let me do is discard a card for 4 money. I saw in the bug report that someone else submitted that the glossary clearly states that the card must be discarded first but that is not at all clear from my glossary:

3 | Side I: In addition to your action, you may discard 1 Sponsor card to gain
4 money. You may do this before or after your Sponsors action. You may
do this no matter whether you play a Sponsor card or choose the Break
option. Side II: Same as Side I, but you may discard any card (not just a
Sponsor card) to either gain 4 money (like Side I) or to reduce the level of
a Sponsor card you play with this action by 2.

Does anyone have the source for why the card must be discarded first for the -2 cost but not for the 4 money? (Yes, in the future, I will discard first but it would have been nice to know that in advance).

Which part of the quote is not explicit to you ? Side I clearly states it must done before or after, and side II goes "same as side I".
Maybe the wording was overlooked by designer so feel free to make a bgg thread asking for official clarification but otherwise i will keep it working that way in the meantime because that's more consistent with all the new sponsor action cards

Let's simplify and assume the card said, "same as side one but you may discard any card,". In this case, there would be no problem. I can still do this. But the card actually says "to either gain...". So, same as side 1, you can gain money OR reduce cost of a sponsor card by 2. If it was just a matter of needing to discard the card first, then I shouldn't be able to discard for money after playing a sponsor. The problem is that I can't take one of the actions that should be available to me. Do X to get Y or Z. I can do X, I can get Y but not Z.

[Tisaac]

So I got a ruling on this when I submitted it as a bug, but I can't see why, when playing the upgraded Sponsors 3 card in Marine Worlds, that you can't discard a card at any time during your turn to reduce the cost of a played sponsor by 2 strength. I wasted 2 Xs and a turn trying to play 2 sponsors because all the game would let me do is discard a card for 4 money. I saw in the bug report that someone else submitted that the glossary clearly states that the card must be discarded first but that is not at all clear from my glossary:

3 | Side I: In addition to your action, you may discard 1 Sponsor card to gain
4 money. You may do this before or after your Sponsors action. You may
do this no matter whether you play a Sponsor card or choose the Break
option. Side II: Same as Side I, but you may discard any card (not just a
Sponsor card) to either gain 4 money (like Side I) or to reduce the level of
a Sponsor card you play with this action by 2.

Does anyone have the source for why the card must be discarded first for the -2 cost but not for the 4 money? (Yes, in the future, I will discard first but it would have been nice to know that in advance).

Which part of the quote is not explicit to you ? Side I clearly states it must done before or after, and side II goes "same as side I".
Maybe the wording was overlooked by designer so feel free to make a bgg thread asking for official clarification but otherwise i will keep it working that way in the meantime because that's more consistent with all the new sponsor action cards

Let's simplify and assume the card said, "same as side one but you may discard any card,". In this case, there would be no problem. I can still do this. But the card actually says "to either gain...". So, same as side 1, you can gain money OR reduce cost of a sponsor card by 2. If it was just a matter of needing to discard the card first, then I shouldn't be able to discard for money after playing a sponsor. The problem is that I can't take one of the actions that should be available to me. Do X to get Y or Z. I can do X, I can get Y but not Z.

Well that's because it does not do anything to choose the "discard to reduce strength" after the action is finished, which is why the UI is not offering this choice.
Again, feel free to create a bgg thread.