frankenStains Tierlists v.42 final final FINAL reworked, edited .... - or starting tips for newbies and semi-pros ;)

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Re: frankenStains Tierlists v.42 final final FINAL reworked, edited .... - or starting tips for newbies and semi-pros ;)

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Hi all, I discovered this pretty late since I got stuck with vanilla game (and its flaws) for way too long. It's so helpful though.

I can't help but wondering Frank : you spent a lot of effort in these tier lists, but you made none for the age cards themselves, although they are still the main thing we play with. Is it related to the secret tier list?

I think we could all make fairly objective ones with vanilla, especially now with ZeusAi into the mix (for instance age 1 Tavern at the very top, economy above everything, green just after and red at the very bottom etc, with slight differences between symbols / resources) but I'm pretty sure all of that changes with the full game. I noticed top players like you play less yellow than I expect for example, maybe because the senate chambers carries you over for economy, I don't know.

I would also be curious about how you evaluate (objectively, so outside of your playstyie) the overall balance between the 4 different win conditions. Given your stats you obviously prefer white over blue /red/green but I feel like it's probably because of some lack of proper defense from a lot of your opponents, am I wrong?

Also, I think IRL Anubis and the Sabotage conspiracy are higher because the devs confirmed that they destroy military shields (thus enabling more deadly threats), which is not what happens on BGA despite many years of complains (this game lacks maintenance generally).
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Re: frankenStains Tierlists v.42 final final FINAL reworked, edited .... - or starting tips for newbies and semi-pros ;)

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swibat wrote: 05 December 2025, 15:13 Hi all, I discovered this pretty late since I got stuck with vanilla game (and its flaws) for way too long. It's so helpful though.

I can't help but wondering Frank : you spent a lot of effort in these tier lists, but you made none for the age cards themselves, although they are still the main thing we play with. Is it related to the secret tier list?

I think we could all make fairly objective ones with vanilla, especially now with ZeusAi into the mix (for instance age 1 Tavern at the very top, economy above everything, green just after and red at the very bottom etc, with slight differences between symbols / resources) but I'm pretty sure all of that changes with the full game. I noticed top players like you play less yellow than I expect for example, maybe because the senate chambers carries you over for economy, I don't know.

I would also be curious about how you evaluate (objectively, so outside of your playstyie) the overall balance between the 4 different win conditions. Given your stats you obviously prefer white over blue /red/green but I feel like it's probably because of some lack of proper defense from a lot of your opponents, am I wrong?

Also, I think IRL Anubis and the Sabotage conspiracy are higher because the devs confirmed that they destroy military shields (thus enabling more deadly threats), which is not what happens on BGA despite many years of complains (this game lacks maintenance generally).
GameViking wrote: 19 January 2025, 07:53 Can you tell us what the secret Tier list is going to be...?
The secret Tier List WAS a Tier List of best players. Because I had some time and fun reviewing top games until end 2023, early 2024. As you might imagine it is outdated now, and most of those players aren't active anymore, not really (but it still might be fun to make a kind of memorial for epic players from the past!). Besides fun one could use clashes of top players for understanding the game a little better ;)

Regarding making a tier list for the cards. Imo there is no sense in making one. Besides pointing out to not take red cards in age 1 in 95% of cases. One could assess the average of usefulness for each card, but the variation is so big and dependent on context that it would be useless in practical terms...
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Re: frankenStains Tierlists v.42 final final FINAL reworked, edited .... - or starting tips for newbies and semi-pros ;)

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silentProtest wrote: 30 October 2023, 08:22]

If you got to choose between Knosos/Theatre and a bad extra turn wonder in second draw (which most likely means you are player 2), you are f*cked! :D

... would be funny to leave it at that. but the whole answer is that you have to get creative and play high risk, against good opponents, in that situation anyway. So you need a specific idea what you want to try and gamble on. look out for taking more plots, getting stronger finances, placing strongest gods against theatre.
Clear disadvantages of each choice. Not taking extra turn, gives away most likely the possability to be first in age 2. Not taking Theatre, means probably losing that extra turn vs Ra and still not being first in age 2, but for a higher cost for your opponent, but also way more options for him too. Not taking Knosos is only bad, if strong tokens are open or your opponent gets lucky with a hidden one, but at this point you are at full risk mode anyway; Just dont play clearly stupid stuff.
I just encountered this very problem on a game I'm currently playing. Wish me good luck... But of course don't backseat, let me a couple days to try my best! I'll edit the post with a replay if anyone is interested... But i don't expect much of my result honestly

EDIT :
I won by watching out for my opponent's mistakes and playing stable and balanced, so don't feel lost if it happens to you !!
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=790837866
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