Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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MartoTom
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Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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Seriously, why include this option? There is nothing more demotivating seeing one player run ahead on points. You could say "Well you could just count it anyway", but I don't think many people are doing it. If you are one of them, I am not even going to judge you, but it seems a bit over the top to me. I feel bad for anyone seeing the other player/s running ahead in points round after round and knowing exactly just how much behind they are.

My 2 cents.
kevinsbane
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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Some people like it. Arena settings were changed this season so the points are displayed. All information is public, so the score displayed can be manually calculated. We'll see how it goes. I'm personally not a fan of it myself, but I'm willing to see how it goes this season.
MartoTom
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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kevinsbane wrote: 22 January 2026, 22:22 Some people like it. Arena settings were changed this season so the points are displayed. All information is public, so the score displayed can be manually calculated. We'll see how it goes. I'm personally not a fan of it myself, but I'm willing to see how it goes this season.
Have you ever counted points manually?
kevinsbane
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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MartoTom wrote: 23 January 2026, 10:50
kevinsbane wrote: 22 January 2026, 22:22 Some people like it. Arena settings were changed this season so the points are displayed. All information is public, so the score displayed can be manually calculated. We'll see how it goes. I'm personally not a fan of it myself, but I'm willing to see how it goes this season.
Have you ever counted points manually?
Yes, many times in fact. But usually only the last couple turns where it matters.
MartoTom
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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There is a very good case to be made that you rarely need to know the exact score. Maybe at ultra high-stake games, which the majority of on BGA are not. Plus, when you have the option to do it anyway, you are killing the intrigue in a ton of games where people may prefer to not know. I know this will come off as heresy to online gamers, but if I was playing the game at a table and a player came over to count my score, I would never play with them again. I understand the reality of online games is different, but score keeping is just meh to me.
FrankJones
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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MartoTom wrote: 22 January 2026, 21:50 Seriously, why include this option? There is nothing more demotivating seeing one player run ahead on points. You could say "Well you could just count it anyway", but I don't think many people are doing it. If you are one of them, I am not even going to judge you, but it seems a bit over the top to me. I feel bad for anyone seeing the other player/s running ahead in points round after round and knowing exactly just how much behind they are.

My 2 cents.
Being behind in points sometimes has little correlation to who is actually winning.

Mainly though, I prefer the updated scoring option because it includes counts of the qualifying cards for the 3 ecosystem goals, whereas without the updated scoring, it only provides counts for the 4 Fauna goals, which seems inconsistent to me.
Curse Words
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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MartoTom wrote: 23 January 2026, 16:21 There is a very good case to be made that you rarely need to know the exact score. Maybe at ultra high-stake games, which the majority of on BGA are not. Plus, when you have the option to do it anyway, you are killing the intrigue in a ton of games where people may prefer to not know. I know this will come off as heresy to online gamers, but if I was playing the game at a table and a player came over to count my score, I would never play with them again. I understand the reality of online games is different, but score keeping is just meh to me.
Personally I feel like seeing the scores sometimes really messes with my mentality during the game so I really hate the arena options which displays points at the end of the game. I totally agree with the point that if I was playing offline and my opponent (or the judge, assuming in a high-stakes game), at the end of every turn, says "You have [] points from [A, B, C] and I have [] points from [A, B, C]" I will never play the game with them again.

I certainly think I perform worse when seeing the points update every turn.
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Timm-E
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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Agreed with OpeningsPost. Now it is in the Arena as well. I dont like this, it doesn't feel like the game. In real life, you also count the points at the end of the game. If someone is willing to write down everything, be my guest, but do not show this by default.
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Timm-E wrote: 28 April 2026, 07:11 Agreed with OpeningsPost. Now it is in the Arena as well.
I'm unsure what that second sentence means. In the Arena, the score is updated at the end of the turn. Outside the arena, we can choose whether to play with updated scoring.
Timm-E wrote: 28 April 2026, 07:11 I dont like this, it doesn't feel like the game. In real life, you also count the points at the end of the game. If someone is willing to write down everything, be my guest, but do not show this by default.
People are always going to be divided on this. And likely close to a 50/50 split, because we've had both settings in Arena in the prior year.

Personally, I find it annoying to calculate the score in a point-salad game, and I am glad to have the computer do this for me. In real life, we do not update the score at the end of each turn because that would be tedious. But if the game somehow came with a digital score tracker that automatically updated, I think a lot of people would be happy to use it (not just in Earth, but in many games). Isn't that one reason many games have a score tracker around the edge of the board? Granted, some of those games would not be difficult to score without using a "score-as-we-go" tracker, but theoretically, we could: In games such as Azul, Blood Rage, Carcassonne, etc, we could just use a large pile of identical game tokens to create an increasingly-larger pile throughout the game, and then count how many tokens we have at the end of the game. But why would anyone want to do this?

And that is (to me) what makes digital implementations so great: It's not the same as the "real game". If I want to play the real game, I will get out the physical game and play it. In a lot of ways, the digital game is different and (in my opinion), better.

There exist sites where you can use an actual simulator of the physical game experience by moving around virtual components using the mouse - which would be as close to the "real thing" as we can get when using a computer to play - but I'm unaware of any game for which that is the preferred way to play online. I did it once, for Terraforming Mars, and then never again. Because, it was a nuisance and a hassle. If I'm already staring at a computer screen, I'd rather the game automate whatever can be automated.

When I play on BGA, it's because:
1) I do not want to shuffle a 353-card Earth deck, and randomize a small stack of island cards, and a small stack of climate cards, and a stack of Fauna cards, and a stack of ecosystem cards.
2) I do not want to constantly have to check and re-check how many even-point cards my opponent has to see whether I can get to 10 of them first, nor perform a similar calculation or visual inspection for various other in-game goals.
3) I do not want to deal with moving around physical cubes, soil tokens, growths and canopies.
4) I do not want to always be worrying that I am spending or taking too much soil, or cards, or sprouts, or not applying combined discounts properly, etc.
5) I do not want to spend the time taking all the components out and putting them back in the box.
6) And last but not least, since all the scoring categories are visible, I do not want to win or lose a game simply because one or more players were confused or unclear what the game situation was.

I find it odd that players complain about the live-scoring (not just here, but other games as well), but the reason given ("the real game doesn't do this") never seems to be applied to all the various other ways in which the computer does things for us to make the game experience faster, easier, and less error-prone.

After choosing a plant action, the real game does not show card discounts when we hover our hand over the card or physically touch the card, but the digital game does show the discounted price before we commit to planting it. Oddly, nobody ever complains about that.

Also, a germinate action in the "real game" is a major hassle. I had to take the bottom 40 cards off the bottom of the deck for one germinate action the last time I played. I am thankful that we have computers and digital implementations that eliminate the need to perform cumbersome or tedious tasks, especially a re-shuffle of the discard pile if necessary.
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Timm-E
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Re: Why see the points at the end of the turn?

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After quite a few games in the Arena this season, i have changed my opinion about this and now I agree with Frank. Everything he said about playing this game in real life must be true, i always wondered about the germinate action and find it interesting to read that it is a hassle.

The points count even gives an extra dimension to the choices you need to make. However you do not need to trust it when you are in front at the game end, because of the final conversions.
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