Can we stop conceding with one move to go?

[Andrei3009]

At the very least, is it too much to ask the opponent, "Hey, I know I cannot win, and I would like to concede. But I realize you might wish to see the end game state or score or tats for various reasons. If you're cool with my conceding, I will concede. If you would prefer to finish it naturally ,I'll do so."

I rarely give up on my own (and not at the end of the game), but I've never asked an opponent about it. What if he says he's against it? Then I'll have to stay in the game so that my previous message doesn't sound like a mockery. But if I'm ready to stay in the game, then i probably don't need to give up at all.

Another thing is, I could have stayed in the game if my opponent had asked me, but I've never seen such a question (most likely because opponents like me think it's not very polite to ask)

[MarkSteere]

In the particular case of players conceding on the very last turn with the obvious intention of spoiling the stats, that topic has already been discussed ad nauseum. I have nothing to add to that.

For all other, ordinary types of concession, I think you guys are making too much out of it. I for one am entirely unpersuaded by all this deprivation of proper victory execution, ill fitting spirit, poor sportsmanship, sad mentalilty, concession as a power play, dishonorable, ignoble, unnatural, spite and malice... DRAMA.

It's not all that. It's just, "I'm not enjoying this game anymore, for reasons I'm not obliged to disclose. Maybe I don't understand it. Maybe I know I'm going to lose and I don't see the need to engage in this pointless, boring, inane exercise of taking turns in an already decided game just to coddle your obsessive-compulsive desire to 'properly execute' your victory. I quit. You win. Congratulations. Move on."

[FrankJones]

At the very least, is it too much to ask the opponent, "Hey, I know I cannot win, and I would like to concede. But I realize you might wish to see the end game state or score or tats for various reasons. If you're cool with my conceding, I will concede. If you would prefer to finish it naturally ,I'll do so."

I rarely give up on my own (not at the end of the game), but I've never asked an opponent about it. What if he says he's against it? Then I'll have to stay in the game so that my previous message doesn't sound like a mockery. But if I'm ready to stay in the game, then i probably don't need to give up at all.

Another thing is, I could have stayed in the game if my opponent had asked me, but I've never seen such a question (most likely because opponents like me think it's not very polite to ask)

I hear you - and, I respect your posts and your opinions in various threads ( here, wingspan, Terraforming Mars).


I know it's all subjective. I'd rather ask - "Hey, I can concede if your preference is to just move on), or we can play it out (if you prefer to see the end-game state, etc)".

I'd rather ask than just concede when maybe my opponent has a personal reason for wishing the game to conclude with end game position or stats, etc.

[MarkSteere]

Games are competition. Not cooperation. The goal is to beat your opponent. Not to construct something together. When your opponent concedes, you've accomplished your objective. This is not the time to be a crybaby. "No, no, you didn't let me win the RIGHT way." Just accept your victory graciously, and go play another game with someone else.

[tbhp]

I rarely give up on my own (and not at the end of the game), but I've never asked an opponent about it. What if he says he's against it? Then I'll have to stay in the game so that my previous message doesn't sound like a mockery.

That's the most backward thing. "Why should I ask my opponent? What if they are in the exact situation I was worrying they might be when I asked them?"

Well, yeah, that's why you ask, so that you can act according to what the person tells you.

[Andrei3009]

I rarely give up on my own (and not at the end of the game), but I've never asked an opponent about it. What if he says he's against it? Then I'll have to stay in the game so that my previous message doesn't sound like a mockery.

That's the most backward thing. "Why should I ask my opponent? What if they are in the exact situation I was worrying they might be when I asked them?"

i would rephrase in like that ""Why should I ask my opponent? Will i care enough if they are in the exact situation I was worrying they might be when I asked them? (end if i will conceding is not necessary)""

[tbhp]

I rarely give up on my own (and not at the end of the game), but I've never asked an opponent about it. What if he says he's against it? Then I'll have to stay in the game so that my previous message doesn't sound like a mockery.

That's the most backward thing. "Why should I ask my opponent? What if they are in the exact situation I was worrying they might be when I asked them?"

i would rephrase in like that ""Why should I ask my opponent? Will i care enough if they are in the exact situation I was worrying they might be when I asked them? (end if i will conceding is not necessary)""

Well you should care. How is it even a question?

Obviously if you are gonna disregard the answer, then it's pointless to ask. But I can't fathom how you could just disregard someone who is telling you your action is hurting them. Is that how people treat other people these days?

Your parenthesis also doesn't make sense because the situation exists where you want to concede, but upon learning that they don't want to, you would then not concede. Conceding is never something you absolutely need to do anyway, since even if you have an emergency, you can always just let the game running and take the penalty.

[Andrei3009]

Conceding is never something you absolutely need to do anyway, since even if you have an emergency, you can always just let the game running and take the penalty.

I can understand some of your arguments, but the penalty one is nonsense. I don't want to get a penalty when I might not get one. And my opponent situation will only get worse if I leave - he will get less rating.

By default, I assume that if the opponent doesn't write to me, that he don't me want to give up, he doesn't mind that much(I almost never give up spontaneously, so it won't be a surprise to him and he will have time to warn me).
Again, I repeat that I rarely give up, and when I do, it will be difficult to change my desire to give up without strong motivation, which can be expressed by writing to the chat yourself

[nik592]

Conceding is never something you absolutely need to do anyway, since even if you have an emergency, you can always just let the game running and take the penalty.

Sorry, this is crazy talk. You expect a person to take a karma penalty in an emergency, rather than just taking a loss on the game?

I don't concede as a rule. I don't like it when my opponents concede (but I respect their right to do so). I think conceding on the last turn is a jerk move. Conceding is not quitting, conceding is accepting a loss, for whatever reason. It's far more polite to concede than to just vanish into thin air and leave your opponent wondering what happened.

[Andrei3009]

Well you should care. How is it even a question?

I think nik592 perfectly described the situation regarding caring about you opponent. I also don't always like it when my opponents give up, but I respect their decision, just as they need to respect mine when I give up.