Is this game dying?

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anonymustard
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Re: Is this game dying?

Post by anonymustard »

These are just bandaids on a bullet wound... the real problem is 0-150 ELO players do not have anyone to play against anywhere near their level. The answer is a resounding "YES".

Maybe if Ultimate is approved a new influx of players would arrive. But given this response, as a BGA reviewer I have no intention of approving it.
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Mister Salami
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Re: Is this game dying?

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I just played my first game of this last night. That's more than I can say for literally hundreds of games on this site! Honestly, I'm impressed that this game still has enough interest for me to match with other players at all!
ManneMan
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Re: Is this game dying?

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I just discovered this game and am really enjoying it even though I'm at 100 ELO. Mister Salami, send a friend request if you want!
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nandblock
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Re: Is this game dying?

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I play the game daily, just not on this site. The UI here isn't good on my phone and I prefer to play with the Figures expansion which isn't here.
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Clockpusher
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Re: Is this game dying?

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As a data point, I am 150 ELO and I just matched with the exact same 500 ELO player three games in a row, and all three games were miserable. If I restrict my ELO matching it takes sometimes up to 15 minutes to find a game. It feels like there are maybe ... ten players regularly looking for games under 200 ELO. I see the same names over and over and sparingly.

Playing at such a skill gap is NOT fun. If beginner chess players were constantly forced to play against even 1000-level players they would overwhelmingly quit the game, and I think the fact that there are so few 200 and below players in the matchmaking pool proves that point.

I have no interest in being told repeatedly "oh, you could still win even if I'm ahead 5-0" and "oh well, you just have to play and keep getting crushed and eventually you will learn".

I feel like the veterans I keep matching against have no concept that a beginner player grinding through a game where a veteran Clothing or Pottery's into a 3-0 achievement lead isn't instructive or fun, unless you are a masochist.
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keirdre
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Re: Is this game dying?

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Clockpusher wrote: 02 March 2026, 21:39 As a data point, I am 150 ELO and I just matched with the exact same 500 ELO player three games in a row, and all three games were miserable. If I restrict my ELO matching it takes sometimes up to 15 minutes to find a game. It feels like there are maybe ... ten players regularly looking for games under 200 ELO. I see the same names over and over and sparingly.

Playing at such a skill gap is NOT fun. If beginner chess players were constantly forced to play against even 1000-level players they would overwhelmingly quit the game, and I think the fact that there are so few 200 and below players in the matchmaking pool proves that point.

I have no interest in being told repeatedly "oh, you could still win even if I'm ahead 5-0" and "oh well, you just have to play and keep getting crushed and eventually you will learn".

I feel like the veterans I keep matching against have no concept that a beginner player grinding through a game where a veteran Clothing or Pottery's into a 3-0 achievement lead isn't instructive or fun, unless you are a masochist.
Do you ever ask for tips while playing? I found the Hive community were fantastic for helping me understand the game when I explicitly told them I was new and learning.
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EllieK
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Re: Is this game dying?

Post by EllieK »

anonymustard wrote: 21 November 2025, 07:30
It sounds like experienced players restricting their match settings so they're not being paired with new players would help quite a bit.
That's a terrific idea.
When playing a game where skill level drastically affects the game or the speed of gameplay, I always restrict access to Average and one or two levels higher than my own ranking. So games like Puerto Rico, Through the Ages, and Innovation are always created with a skill requirement. In games like those even a Good player rating can feel futile against an Expert rating. I never join a game with an Expert player.
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tonkoch
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Re: Is this game dying?

Post by tonkoch »

I have never understood this attitude that if you're not winning a game, it's not fun, or that if the opponent is not making it easy for you, they're not being nice. If your friends are these sorts of people, the game is not for them, unfortunately. A lot of us are quite happy to play for ages without winning, and that's how we got better (and in answer to whoever said no one would play chess if they never won, I spent about 5 years playing chess against my grandfather before I won my first game, so yes there are people who stick to it). In fact, one of the great things in Innovation is it's rare to get a game which is not fun regardless of whether you're winning - they should focus on their projects in it and always review why their opponent won. Asking is always welcome too - I have only a couple of times come across an opponent who was not polite and friendly - and mostly it's sore losers, not the winners. But it's not fair to expect players to spend a whole game teaching it or not playing to the full, as that's no fun to them.

So no, the game is never going to be for mass appeal, but it's also not dying. Indeed it is true that you can't even get the original 3rd edn IRL, but with the 4th edn it will likely have a renaissance.

Having said all that, I think the tournament you're describing is a great idea, and I also think more inexperienced players should ask questions during the game.
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Interrobang
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Re: Is this game dying?

Post by Interrobang »

In regards to what tonkoch said about playing and losing...I had a similar situation with a teacher colleague of mine many years ago. We would play during lunch periods, maybe twice a week or so, for a few years. I was pleased with myself if, during any match, I managed to force him to sit back and consider his next play. That itself was a rarity.

I ended up beating him once, by accident, with some sort of Queen fork that I didn't even notice was a checkmate until it happened.
anonymustard
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Re: Is this game dying?

Post by anonymustard »

The matchmaking / queueing in the game is truly broken.

This week I queued without ELO restriction into the same player twice my ELO (~240 versus ~450) literally FIVE games in a row. Then I queued into a 520 players.

With ELO restrictions, the matchmaking can take up to 15 minutes especially at off hours.

The fact that there were literally two players available to play in a timely manner for over 30 minutes at such disparate skill levels is sad.
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