What's your opener here?

[primrose1234]

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

This is way too much overkeeping.

[Attica451]

No, but he's close and doesn't put any time into arena anymore. I'm sure he'd be top 30 player if he grinded. Anyway 609 rating is good and all but I still feel like I make so many mistakes every game I play. I don't gatekeep advice because of rating.

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

This is way too much overkeeping.

Yeah, it's my biggest leak.

[ft029]

I would keep 5: Helion | mohole, eco experts | deimos, ghg, commercial, artificial, trees.

I think carbonate only is getting played if gen 2 and 3 provide absolutely no cards, so am inclined to skip it.
I do like commercial district as a teleport/decent prod since we will have lots of plants.
Artificial isn’t the best power but it’s fine, could go either way on skipping or keeping.

I think the game plan to rush is clear with this opener, which is why I prefer helion over tharsis.

EDIT: Watching the first few gens, I think you need to get into the rush mindset. House printing makes no sense here. Also confused as to why you first picked robo workforce to only not keep it (copying mohole is good). Also use heat to push temperature, not for money!!!

[FrankJones]

No, but he's close and doesn't put any time into arena anymore. I'm sure he'd be top 30 player if he grinded. Anyway 609 rating is good and all but I still feel like I make so many mistakes every game I play. I don't gatekeep advice because of rating.

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

This is way too much overkeeping.

Yeah, it's my biggest leak.

True. I was only being half-serious.

When I saw your rating, I figured it was likely that your friend is similarly rated.

I probably make too many mistakes in my starting hands to add much, but that's definitely a hand with some tough decisions, so I should review this thread carefully. I'd love to be able to reach 600 Elo at some point, but I seem to have stagnated in the high 400s / low 500s range.

[Corvus Mortis]

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

Skip Commercial, Advanced GHG, Tech Stress. Open Gen 1 with EE Trees into Photosynthesis Carbonate. Much faster start. Advanced and Tech Stress just aren’t worth it; Commercial is borderline as a teleport, but not worth delaying Carbonate. You’ll find other energy uses.

[thanks-i-hate-it]

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

What does 4 pp mean? I think it's a clear Helion hand, the only question is stuff like do you take carbonate or not

[Dipoloulos]

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

Skip Commercial, Advanced GHG, Tech Stress. Open Gen 1 with EE Trees into Photosynthesis Carbonate. Much faster start. Advanced and Tech Stress just aren’t worth it; Commercial is borderline as a teleport, but not worth delaying Carbonate. You’ll find other energy uses.

Just lol.

We had seven opinions on that same opening, including players rated 500+, 600+, even 700+ Elo.
Yet we still had to wait for Coris Mortis to step in before realizing that we could start with ten heat production, direct or indirect, instead of eight.
Dear community, we still have to progress before we can kick his ass.

Edit : @thanks_I_hate_it : pp = plant production.

[ft029]

Artificial + carbonate costs 12+6+3+3 = 24 for 1 energy, 3 heat, and the science and building tag. I think if it weren't for the tags I would be inclined to go advanced GHG (it has the slight upside of not being vulnerable to energy tapping). But artificial + carbonate looks slightly better to me now.

[RoyalRook]

Helion + Mohole + Eco Experts (into Trees), Deimos + Trees + GHG + Artificial Photosynthesis + Carbonate Processing + Tectonic stress power + Commercial district.

Friend is telling me Hellion was a trap and I should have gone Tharsis cause of the 4 pp with urban. I'm like 4-16 vs him 1v1 our last 20 games but he's a results oriented advice giver.

Skip Commercial, Advanced GHG, Tech Stress. Open Gen 1 with EE Trees into Photosynthesis Carbonate. Much faster start. Advanced and Tech Stress just aren’t worth it; Commercial is borderline as a teleport, but not worth delaying Carbonate. You’ll find other energy uses.

Advanced GHG is much much much cheaper than photo carbonate for about the same prod, this is tharsis hely so who cares about 10 heat prod, let's save money for oceans. Coordination and pocket tech stress after deimo for passive heat or bumper win you more games here. Commercial is trashy on Tharsis, so i agree with you there, we will find better teleports. Unless you are thinking about switching to engine mid game after drawing AI, photo carbonate feels like an over investment. I am not playing to use heat for money after blew my cash on trees, I am committing to rush.

[HappyMeaI]

I think this is a better opening for Tharsis. It’s a Helion trap. I forget my exact reasoning, but this is what I would’ve chosen after careful consideration.

Tharsis -> N Shipment - Eco Experts into trees

Take artificial / urban / always research cord / no tec no ghg. Deimos for endgame and 50-50 commercial. You could start gen 1 with 5 mcp and a headstart on builder / city MS and have a greenery to put down going 1st in gen 2.

And I have like a 90% w/r against my friend over 150 games because that’s what I do… I adapt to counter people’s styles and destroy them! Guwahahaha.