BGA banlist basis?

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Andrew Davidson
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BGA banlist basis?

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I was just reading a long thread complaining about a card in Terraforming Mars -- Asteroid Mining Consortium. The cards in that game are quite well balanced but even so, some players still don't like some of them. This seems inevitable in such games with large card sets and a variable number of players -- it's impossible to balance the cards for all circumstances.

In the case of that game, players just have to put up with it and that's fine by me -- a card game will have some luck of the draw and so it goes. But I'm wondering why Agricola is so different in having dynamic banlists which are controlled by some elite players in a manner that is unclear but is too political for my taste. I thought one of the fundamental principles of BGA was that games are played using the official rules but these banlists don't seem to be based on those. How is this allowed?

I'd contrast this with some balance tweaks that I've noticed in other games -- the alternate maps in Ark Nova and building costs in Puerto Rico. My impression is that they have some official basis but I'm not sure of the details.
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RicardoRix
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Re: BGA banlist basis?

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If you read the opening post of the banlist discussion it says that it has been officially sanctioned.

Personally I was very skeptical, but if you read the thread over time you will see that it is very well managed, and has very few complainers even if there are differing opinions.

They also have exclusive access to statistics from all games to try and backup their claims and balance their decisions.

The banlist is a game option, you can play without it if you want.

I think windspan also has a banlist. But yes it would have to be officially sanctioned, as with any rule adjustments. There are probably other examples but Co-op has a rule change in there for one of the characters.
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Re: BGA banlist basis?

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As Ricardo says, the banlists have publisher approval. Banlists are used in over-the-board competitive play as well.

I think it's a good thing that there are different ways to play the game to suit different tastes. Some players prefer a maximum power variant: no strong banlist, Additional Action Spaces, draft from 10 cards. Others prefer minimal power: strong banlist on, draft from only 7 cards, no Additional Action Spaces.

These settings are all optional and you can play however you like.
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Re: BGA banlist basis?

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One thing I'd add to Ricardo's point - the statistics he refers to are available to everyone:

https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44912
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