Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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Kaznaka
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Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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if you were player 1, green was given on m5 g4, and g3 plays, what would you do?
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Would you assume g4 was the focus and fix or would you assume the focus is m5 and blind play fp?
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Blacktango
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Re: Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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What is the multicolor series when the clue is given?
Is M4 set already? M3?
What about the other series? Are W4 and Y4 useful?
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Re: Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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Here is the center screenshot.
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Re: Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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One of my question is, can Tyrion bluff McGrogu?
This is McGrogu's hand
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Re: Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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edit: this post was written before knowing MrGrogu's hand.

# triple finesse
I regularly advise on the forum to not trust (at least initially) triple finesse on yourself, and check multiple times double finesse. Here it's a triple, so I would not assume m2+m3+m4.

# bluff
Now can it be a bluff? That would tell Kaz they got g5 which doesn't work. But if you hold g5, then now that 5 is known to be m5, and that seem pretty good.

Clue count is important too, if it's 0, then Nishi can't interfere with the clue, and the lie work well.
If it's more than 0, then can Nishi clue your bluff and desynchronise everyone? That would mean that from Nishi pov they see that nobody hold a multi card, and so they hold m2+m3+m4, which is unlikely. So not clueing you seem strong too, especially at 5 players.

And so I think that's enough strong to stop here, and play our finesse position. If I'm right: it's a bluff and you hold g5.

Tricky spot for sure.

edit²: while that spot worked for me, I'm unsure the answer to your question is 'yes'. As I said earlier, the spot seem risky.
edit^3: Kaz could hold m3 from their's pov too. But if g3 played from elimination (seeing g5 you should hold, and maybe seeing m5 from Kaz's pov) that could depend of how green was saved. That's highly context dependent then.
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Re: Fix or Play? Can you bluff anyone?

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If the goal is G4, I would prefer clue 4 instead of G, even if another clue is required to make G4 playable (since there is already a G4 in the discard pile).
If the clue is only for M5, which seems unlikely since the M finesse seems too long, I would choose any color but G.

In any case, it's poor timing to extract the G4 with two clues because Kaz will have to save Feen's 5 instead of playing it, which uses two tokens for nothing.

If there is some bluff here, it promises too many cards to be good.
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