Hello,
Here is a convention I invented myself, but I believe it's enough good and interesting to take a forum post.
Note that it's destinated only for high level table, you are sure that someone going up have hitted a pair or better (unless it's obvious: there was a lot of fight preflop), and people usually correct river.
The examples are long, but I need to explain full context to explain it.
#1: 44vs66
Alice got 44 ; Bob got 66.
Alice end up at 6 preflop, Bob end up at 5, so there is a problem.
Flop: Q92, Cathy touched a pair of Queens and take 6, Alice take 5, Bob take 4.
Turn: 5
Donald touched a pair of 5, so they take 5 initially, Bob end up above Donald (he steals 5), and Alice end up below Donald (she finish 3), and so at that point the problem preflop is resolved (even if others think that Bob got A5, the fight preflop doesn't make sense).
#2 same situation without the pair
Turn: 5
This time, Donald isn't present.
But Bob (66) know that if Emily got a pair of 5 she would be lower than Bob, that mean that Bob know they are above 1/2/3, are lower than the pair of queens so can't be 6, and the ranking between Alice and Bob will stay the same [unless Alice has exactly 55*]. That mean that Bob can take the 4 instantly.
But Alice (44) doesn't know if 1/2/3 are above or below her since a pair of 5 would be above her, so she can't do it.
So after 3 seconds pass, Bob has taken their 4, and Alice is still looking for information, then Alice can suspect something weird.
I think that if both players are enough experienced, it's logical for Alice to assume that they are below Bob, or at least, it's worth the shot to ask to swap.
*if Alice got 55, she has now a 3aok, and will be higher than the pair of queens: so on that specific case, Alice's hand have an extremly high chance to be fully known, and the optimisations done shouldn't take that situation into account.
#3 another application for kicker
Please read #2 and understand it before going deeper.
Alice got J4, Bob got J6, Cathy got J7, Donald got Q8, Emily got K8, and Frank got A8.
Preflop: Frank take 6, Emily take 5, Donald take 4, and all three others take 3. After a long fight, they got any order.
Flop: Q92. Donald take 6.
Turn: 5.
The important thing here is that Alice, Bob, and Cathy know that their hand are extremely close, so any gain of information is extremely valuable.
Another thing is that Emily and Frank hitted nothing and have the 4&5 token, so there is no possibility for anyone fighting for 1/2/3 to have a pair of 5.
Here there is a 5 on the turn. What can you do with it?
I will not said here that you must do something, because it's complicated, maybe in the future there will be a better convention.
But I think that showing strength when your kicker is above 5, and showing weakness when it's below 5 is valuable.
That's all for now, but I will be back
Here is a convention I invented myself, but I believe it's enough good and interesting to take a forum post.
Note that it's destinated only for high level table, you are sure that someone going up have hitted a pair or better (unless it's obvious: there was a lot of fight preflop), and people usually correct river.
The examples are long, but I need to explain full context to explain it.
#1: 44vs66
Alice got 44 ; Bob got 66.
Alice end up at 6 preflop, Bob end up at 5, so there is a problem.
Flop: Q92, Cathy touched a pair of Queens and take 6, Alice take 5, Bob take 4.
Turn: 5
Donald touched a pair of 5, so they take 5 initially, Bob end up above Donald (he steals 5), and Alice end up below Donald (she finish 3), and so at that point the problem preflop is resolved (even if others think that Bob got A5, the fight preflop doesn't make sense).
#2 same situation without the pair
Turn: 5
This time, Donald isn't present.
But Bob (66) know that if Emily got a pair of 5 she would be lower than Bob, that mean that Bob know they are above 1/2/3, are lower than the pair of queens so can't be 6, and the ranking between Alice and Bob will stay the same [unless Alice has exactly 55*]. That mean that Bob can take the 4 instantly.
But Alice (44) doesn't know if 1/2/3 are above or below her since a pair of 5 would be above her, so she can't do it.
So after 3 seconds pass, Bob has taken their 4, and Alice is still looking for information, then Alice can suspect something weird.
I think that if both players are enough experienced, it's logical for Alice to assume that they are below Bob, or at least, it's worth the shot to ask to swap.
*if Alice got 55, she has now a 3aok, and will be higher than the pair of queens: so on that specific case, Alice's hand have an extremly high chance to be fully known, and the optimisations done shouldn't take that situation into account.
#3 another application for kicker
Please read #2 and understand it before going deeper.
Alice got J4, Bob got J6, Cathy got J7, Donald got Q8, Emily got K8, and Frank got A8.
Preflop: Frank take 6, Emily take 5, Donald take 4, and all three others take 3. After a long fight, they got any order.
Flop: Q92. Donald take 6.
Turn: 5.
The important thing here is that Alice, Bob, and Cathy know that their hand are extremely close, so any gain of information is extremely valuable.
Another thing is that Emily and Frank hitted nothing and have the 4&5 token, so there is no possibility for anyone fighting for 1/2/3 to have a pair of 5.
Here there is a 5 on the turn. What can you do with it?
I will not said here that you must do something, because it's complicated, maybe in the future there will be a better convention.
But I think that showing strength when your kicker is above 5, and showing weakness when it's below 5 is valuable.
That's all for now, but I will be back
