Deer and Pro Account

[BarnardsStar]

Besides, I think I made it very clear that I've intended to ragequit on the spot, but bga would not allow me to do so.

I've literally been in games with people who ragequit ... they suddenly conceded the game (when they were beating me), and when I looked to see their track record, their account had been deleted.

I mean, I appreciate your commitment to completing the games you are in, but it's not very ragequitty to say "oh, I guess I'll ragequit next week"...

[BarnardsStar]

I was somewhat hyperbolic, of course, occasionally I drew 1 or 2 deer towards the end of the game.

As for the actual issue at hand... let's look at your last ten completed Arena games (since you are specifically complaining about Arena):

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880160748 - you drew a deer on turn 5
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880169951 - no deer for you
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880151666 - you drew a deer on turn 42 (out of 130)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880143364 - you drew a deer on turn 14
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880132015 - you drew a deer on turn 70 (out of 190)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880120356 - you drew a deer on turn 146 (out of 153, which I grant is too near the end to count)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880119287 - you drew a deer on turn 7 ... and turn 15
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878633008 - you played a deer on turn 58 (I don't see in the log when you drew it, which is odd)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878623965 - you drew a deer on turn 3
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878110316 - you drew a deer on turn 50

This isn't hyperbole, this is just being wrong, when you drew a deer before the midpoint of the game in 8 out of your 10 most recent Arena games but say it's "only occasionally 1 or 2 towards the end of the game"...

[Meeplelowda]

I was somewhat hyperbolic, of course, occasionally I drew 1 or 2 deer towards the end of the game.

As for the actual issue at hand... let's look at your last ten completed Arena games (since you are specifically complaining about Arena):

https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880160748 - you drew a deer on turn 5
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880169951 - no deer for you
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880151666 - you drew a deer on turn 42 (out of 130)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880143364 - you drew a deer on turn 14
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880132015 - you drew a deer on turn 70 (out of 190)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880120356 - you drew a deer on turn 146 (out of 153, which I grant is too near the end to count)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=880119287 - you drew a deer on turn 7 ... and turn 15
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878633008 - you played a deer on turn 58 (I don't see in the log when you drew it, which is odd)
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878623965 - you drew a deer on turn 3
https://boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=878110316 - you drew a deer on turn 50

This isn't hyperbole, this is just being wrong, when you drew a deer before the midpoint of the game in 8 out of your 10 most recent Arena games but say it's "only occasionally 1 or 2 towards the end of the game"...

This is a great lesson about human memory being very very very fallible. But one rule of thumb is whenever you think to yourself "it feels like xyz always happens," pause and remember that your feelings aren't data, no matter how real your perceptions may seem to you.

But most people aren't in the habit of trying to prove themselves wrong. That takes training in a certain mindset. I once had a "feeling" in another online game (Wolvesville, f.k.a. Werewolf Online, if you must know) that certain squares were more likely to be attacked the first night than others. Over the course of a couple hundred games I recorded (you cannot rely on your memory for these things) results and threw the data into a spreadsheet and used the chi square calculation function to see if my feeling was correct. It wasn't. The results were well within what you'd expect to see. In other words, I was unable to reject the null hypothesis that it was random and there was no bias.

The human brain wants to see patterns in everything (this is the basis of many optical illusions) and is horrible at accepting randomness.

[Mirascael]

Besides, I think I made it very clear that I've intended to ragequit on the spot, but bga would not allow me to do so.

I've literally been in games with people who ragequit ... they suddenly conceded the game (when they were beating me), and when I looked to see their track record, their account had been deleted.

I mean, I appreciate your commitment to completing the games you are in, but it's not very ragequitty to say "oh, I guess I'll ragequit next week"...

I was under the impression that it was not possible to quit games.

Now that I've found the function, I've quit all outstanding games and will now try to 'ragequit' for good (even though I don't feel particularly 'ragey' anymore).

GG THX NO RE

[BarnardsStar]

I can see that, despite my other post, they persisted in "ragequitting"... Well, can't say we didn't try to help point out the error; there's nothing wrong with BGA (in this case) and it was all in their head.

Reminder to all: this isn't an airport; you don't have to announce your departure.

[Meeplelowda]

I can see that, despite my other post, they persisted in "ragequitting"... Well, can't say we didn't try to help point out the error; there's nothing wrong with BGA (in this case) and it was all in their head.

Reminder to all: this isn't an airport; you don't have to announce your departure.

There is an appropriate saying for this, but saying it even in reference to a deleted account might get me moderated.

[Ceaseless]

Besides, I think I made it very clear that I've intended to ragequit on the spot, but bga would not allow me to do so.

I've literally been in games with people who ragequit ... they suddenly conceded the game (when they were beating me), and when I looked to see their track record, their account had been deleted.

I mean, I appreciate your commitment to completing the games you are in, but it's not very ragequitty to say "oh, I guess I'll ragequit next week"...

I was under the impression that it was not possible to quit games.

Now that I've found the function, I've quit all outstanding games and will now try to 'ragequit' for good (even though I don't feel particularly 'ragey' anymore).

GG THX NO RE

Lying about their draws and then "rage quitting" after being shown proof of said lies.

[Daddistracted]

I found this thread after feeling the same way. I haven't read it all, and maybe I am wrong too, but I feel that whether I am playing in Arena or just general, when I play with someone ranked over 300, the cards are always in their favour. I know how the game works, and I know I can focus down on a particular strategy I want to try and see play out and make the wrong moves. I don't even really watch the other player to make spiteful blocking draws of cards. But far too often I go and see they have a forest full of deer and beech Marten with all butterfly multipliers that I didn't even see come through. Something is fishy, surely.

[Ceaseless]

I found this thread after feeling the same way. I haven't read it all, and maybe I am wrong too, but I feel that whether I am playing in Arena or just general, when I play with someone ranked over 300, the cards are always in their favour. I know how the game works, and I know I can focus down on a particular strategy I want to try and see play out and make the wrong moves. I don't even really watch the other player to make spiteful blocking draws of cards. But far too often I go and see they have a forest full of deer and beech Marten with all butterfly multipliers that I didn't even see come through. Something is fishy, surely.

Turns out the OP that posted about their so-called bad luck was lying, as is common in such situations. Maybe it was an ego thing, and they just didn't want to admit they weren't as good as they thought they were. Lots of players think they "know what they're doing" even when they don't. The 300 thinks they're playing well, but the 500 is crushing them because in reality the 300 is messing up. Don't even get me started on 100s, which makes things a confusing mess because 100 is the lowest rating you're allowed to fall to, so a lot of 100s are actually even worse, so it makes it harder to get an idea of their actual skill level.

It's not a Forest Shuffle thing, these sorts of issues pop up all over the place in different games, whether it be online or IRL. Plenty of people really have no idea just how bad they are but want to keep an overinflated sense of themselves in their heads and don't want to confront that. It doesn't help that people often don't have a good understanding of how luck works either, and when you throw in self-bias it just gets worse. That's where you get all of these threads about people saying they're unlucky/the game is rigged and when it gets looks into it turns out to be rubbish.

[Meeplelowda]

I don't even really watch the other player to make spiteful blocking draws of cards. But far too often I go and see they have a forest full of deer and beech Marten with all butterfly multipliers that I didn't even see come through. Something is fishy, surely.

You just admit to not paying attention, state that there are things that you didn't see, and then conclude that the reason another player ended up with high multiplier combos that you didn't see is that something is fishy and not that you "really don't even watch the other players." All in three consecutive sentences. I don't even know where to begin. That is so large a logical disconnect that it seems like an intentional troll.

How about this. Post a link to a game where someone ended up with these cards in the end, yet didn't draw them face down or from the clearing. Just ONE single link will suffice.