Cheating

[Ceaseless]

Hi, do you think is there a way to cheat at Heat pedal to the metal?
It's absurd to see everybody playing perfetcly in any game, even by 150 elo players! When I play live with my friends I end P1 or P2 most of the times, while here it's been two years since I can't reach 200 elo again (while in 2023 it took me just 11 races to get to that score from zero!), so to have an involution like that makes no sense, there's definitely something suspicious here.

If beating your friends is an indication of how good you are at this game, consider yourself doing well for being 150, and not just a flat 100. Online play is filled with players who beat their friends... and are still at the lowest rungs of rated play in casual sites. That's normal. Heat has players at the 700s, at the 150 level you're still at the beginning stages of learning the game and have no idea what perfect play looks like. If it makes you feel better, even in games like Chess where players have engines that play better than any human could players still are terrible at identifying cheaters. If you want to know how you hit 200 so quickly in the first place when struggling to do so later on, look up k-factor for elo.

[Meeplelowda]

Hi, do you think is there a way to cheat at Heat pedal to the metal?
It's absurd to see everybody playing perfetcly in any game, even by 150 elo players! When I play live with my friends I end P1 or P2 most of the times, while here it's been two years since I can't reach 200 elo again (while in 2023 it took me just 11 races to get to that score from zero!), so to have an involution like that makes no sense, there's definitely something suspicious here.

If beating your friends is an indication of how good you are at this game, consider yourself doing well for being 150, and not just a flat 100. Online play is filled with players who beat their friends... and are still at the lowest rungs of rated play in casual sites. That's normal. Heat has players at the 700s, at the 150 level you're still at the beginning stages of learning the game and have no idea what perfect play looks like. If it makes you feel better, even in games like Chess where players have engines that play better than any human could players still are terrible at identifying cheaters. If you want to know how you hit 200 so quickly in the first place when struggling to do so later on, look up k-factor for elo.

In other words, lots of people are big fish in small ponds until they sign up on BGA and are playing the best people in the world at almost every game. As in, there are people who have literally won world championships IRL at some of these games.

[Ceaseless]

Hi, do you think is there a way to cheat at Heat pedal to the metal?
It's absurd to see everybody playing perfetcly in any game, even by 150 elo players! When I play live with my friends I end P1 or P2 most of the times, while here it's been two years since I can't reach 200 elo again (while in 2023 it took me just 11 races to get to that score from zero!), so to have an involution like that makes no sense, there's definitely something suspicious here.

If beating your friends is an indication of how good you are at this game, consider yourself doing well for being 150, and not just a flat 100. Online play is filled with players who beat their friends... and are still at the lowest rungs of rated play in casual sites. That's normal. Heat has players at the 700s, at the 150 level you're still at the beginning stages of learning the game and have no idea what perfect play looks like. If it makes you feel better, even in games like Chess where players have engines that play better than any human could players still are terrible at identifying cheaters. If you want to know how you hit 200 so quickly in the first place when struggling to do so later on, look up k-factor for elo.

In other words, lots of people are big fish in small ponds until they sign up on BGA and are playing the best people in the world at almost every game. As in, there are people who have literally won world championships IRL at some of these games.

Definitely big fish in a small pond, though I think for most of them they aren't dealing with world champions on a regular basis. That player is still talking about fellow 150s. They're still several layers down from the best much of the time. They're facing fellow players who cream all of their friends, then went and played online to get even better. And that's still among the weaker group.

[Mars4ever]

If beating your friends is an indication of how good you are at this game, consider yourself doing well for being 150, and not just a flat 100. Online play is filled with players who beat their friends... and are still at the lowest rungs of rated play in casual sites. That's normal. Heat has players at the 700s, at the 150 level you're still at the beginning stages of learning the game and have no idea what perfect play looks like. If it makes you feel better, even in games like Chess where players have engines that play better than any human could players still are terrible at identifying cheaters. If you want to know how you hit 200 so quickly in the first place when struggling to do so later on, look up k-factor for elo.

I get your point but this didn't answer to my questions. I know that my friends are not a good proof of my level, but If you want a better one, in this game I ended only two squares behing the 2n (currently) in the entire site witn 700 elo (634 two weeks ago at the moment of the race), and ahead of a 300+ elo with 500 races. Here it is:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=874714231
So, if I'm so beginner to you, how did I do that? What I'm complaining is that on one hand I almost catched a top player, while in other races against 150 players I end last because they appear to play better than a 600 (in a similar way if on chess.com you see a 1000-1500 elo playing the stockfish moves). If this looks normal to you...

I'm not the one here that mentioned the possibility of AI tools that suggest the moves, so that's why I'm asking.

[Ceaseless]

If beating your friends is an indication of how good you are at this game, consider yourself doing well for being 150, and not just a flat 100. Online play is filled with players who beat their friends... and are still at the lowest rungs of rated play in casual sites. That's normal. Heat has players at the 700s, at the 150 level you're still at the beginning stages of learning the game and have no idea what perfect play looks like. If it makes you feel better, even in games like Chess where players have engines that play better than any human could players still are terrible at identifying cheaters. If you want to know how you hit 200 so quickly in the first place when struggling to do so later on, look up k-factor for elo.

I get your point but this didn't answer to my questions. I know that my friends are not a good proof of my level, but If you want a better one, in this game I ended only two squares behing the 2n (currently) in the entire site witn 700 elo (634 two weeks ago at the moment of the race), and ahead of a 300+ elo with 500 races. Here it is:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=874714231
So, if I'm so beginner to you, how did I do that? What I'm complaining is that on one hand I almost catched a top player, while in other races against 150 players I end last because they appear to play better than a 600 (in a similar way if on chess.com you see a 1000-1500 elo playing the stockfish moves). If this looks normal to you...

I'm not the one here that mentioned the possibility of AI tools that suggest the moves, so that's why I'm asking.

If you want an analysis if your Heat game, post it in the Heat forums. One of the players in that even is even a frequent forum poster, so if you're lucky you might get their take on it. But the outcome of one cherry-picked game? Not very important. That 300 you beat; you're expected to beat 31% of the time. So yeah, you'll win games vs them, but for each win they'll beat you back twice. Even the 600 has a 7% chance of dropping a game. You didn't even win this one vs them, but even for each win you do get, they'll get 13 on you. So so-called invincible 150s? Every time they beat you, you beat them right back.

So will a 150 occasionally get a steamroll victory? Sure, that happens. And the 600 will have some tight games. The difference is that after you remove the cherrypicking and look at their games overall, the 600 is doing a whole lot better than the 150. That's why they're each rated where they're at.

You brought up Chess? It's rather common for 200-500 (on a rather well-known Chess site) players to accuse their opponents of playing invincible moves, only for the readers to realize upon seeing the game the players were doing things like hanging their queen or making other basic blunders. Players are terrible at seeing how well their opponents actually played. They'll think they went through some high-level game even at beginner levels.

[Meeplelowda]

You brought up Chess? It's rather common for 200-500 (on a rather well-known Chess site) players to accuse their opponents of playing invincible moves, only for the readers to realize upon seeing the game the players were doing things like hanging their queen or making other basic blunders. Players are terrible at seeing how well their opponents actually played. They'll think they went through some high-level game even at beginner levels.

On the [unnamed] chess sites, the claim is usually in the form of an accusation that someone had an impossibly high accuracy, as measured by the site's embedded analysis engine. But they leave out the part that the opponent accurately found hung pieces (as you point out), not that they found an unbelievable mate in 14 involving sacrificing a Q and a R along the way.

[Ceaseless]

I'm not the one here that mentioned the possibility of AI tools that suggest the moves, so that's why I'm asking.

Guess I forgot to cover this in my previous post. Yes, you were. The previous posts were about Go, and were actually several years ago on top of that until we got a random necrobump from a 1 post account, after which you posted a few days later. Go does have known machines for this, apparently you're not even sure if Heat does.

I get your point but this didn't answer to my questions. I know that my friends are not a good proof of my level, but If you want a better one, in this game I ended only two squares behing the 2n (currently) in the entire site witn 700 elo (634 two weeks ago at the moment of the race), and ahead of a 300+ elo with 500 races. Here it is:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=874714231
So, if I'm so beginner to you, how did I do that? What I'm complaining is that on one hand I almost catched a top player, while in other races against 150 players I end last because they appear to play better than a 600 (in a similar way if on chess.com you see a 1000-1500 elo playing the stockfish moves). If this looks normal to you...

And I'll repeat my note about bringing that to the Heat forum and making a thread there instead. You did not do nearly as well in that game as you think you did. https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=836