Games abandoned right after the start or before it ends

[tbhp]

I'm confused by what people are saying in regards to people getting penalties through no fault of their own. We aren't talking about running out of time and getting kicked out as a result. This thread is about people who leave games. You can't leave a game by accident, it is always an intentional choice to do it. So I don't see how someone could complain that the penalties are too harsh for this offense. Leaving a game always deserves a harsh penalty.

If someone has an issue or emergency, that doesn't mean they should quit the game. I don't see how this relates to anything.

[Suoivax]

I'm confused by what people are saying in regards to people getting penalties through no fault of their own. We aren't talking about running out of time and getting kicked out as a result. This thread is about people who leave games. You can't leave a game by accident, it is always an intentional choice to do it. So I don't see how someone could complain that the penalties are too harsh for this offense. Leaving a game always deserves a harsh penalty.

If someone has an issue or emergency, that doesn't mean they should quit the game. I don't see how this relates to anything.

So.. you equate my city's power grid going out the equivalent of me rage-quitting?

[tbhp]

I'm not saying it's rage quitting. Maybe you didn't leave for rage quitting reasons. But you still made the choice to leave. Why did you have to leave?

Though now it's making me even more confused because, how does someone click leave if they have power issues?

[FrankJones]

There is a penalty for quitting a game. Elo loss + 10 extra Elo loss, plus Karma loss. And the forfeit shows in the player's profile.

I think that's enough. For people who had a loss of connection or an emergency, it's a manageable penalty, and for people who make a habit of it for no good reason, the penalties will add up.

[nik592]

There is a penalty for quitting a game. Elo loss + 10 extra Elo loss, plus Karma loss. And the forfeit shows in the player's profile.

I think that's enough. For people who had a loss of connection or an emergency, it's a manageable penalty, and for people who make a habit of it for no good reason, the penalties will add up.

Exactly. My point is that people love to start threads that are either "penalties are not harsh enough!" or "penalties are too harsh!" and typically end with "BGA should fix it!" but with no consideration of what a better system would look like and how it would balance both sides of the equation. And personally, I get really frustrated with people whose main complaint is that the system is not harsh enough to prevent jerks from being jerks in spite of the penalties. Some people are just jerks. Red thumb and move on, hopefully it doesn't happen too much. If it does, there are some ways to mitigate the risk, but sometimes, you just get unlucky to meet jerks (and other times, you get unlucky that your power goes out in the middle of a game - swings and roundabouts, you know?).

[tbhp]

Exactly. My point is that people love to start threads that are either "penalties are not harsh enough!" or "penalties are too harsh!" and typically end with "BGA should fix it!" but with no consideration of what a better system would look like and how it would balance both sides of the equation.

We understand that, what I am saying is that this reasoning applies to things like running out of time. Reasons for running out of time can be more or less within someone's control.

This doesn't apply to quitting, because quitting is always an intentional choice, and there is never a good reason to make that choice. So I don't see why we should have qualms about making the penalties harsher for quitting. It's not like it would accidentally harm "innocent" people in that case.

(and other times, you get unlucky that your power goes out in the middle of a game - swings and roundabouts, you know?).

People keep using this example but no one has explained how power issues are related to quitting. They are related to running out of time.

[Jellby]

If you have an "emergency" that prevents your from playing (which could be as benign as an unexpected visit), it's better to quit the game than to disappear and make everyone else wait until you run out of time, plus extra time because they're so nice and don't want to expel immediately. Sure, it's better if you can write something like "sorry, have to leave" in the chat before, but sometimes that's not very viable.

[tbhp]

If you have an "emergency" that prevents your from playing (which could be as benign as an unexpected visit), it's better to quit the game than to disappear and make everyone else wait until you run out of time, plus extra time because they're so nice and don't want to expel immediately. Sure, it's better if you can write something like "sorry, have to leave" in the chat before, but sometimes that's not very viable.

I don't agree at all. You don't know if they want to quit and how it will affect them.

If it's real time, they'll only have a few minutes to wait at most before the decision falls in their hands. If it's turn based, it's not like they are watching you play live anyway.

For those reasons, I don't see a valid reason to ever quit, especially not if the justification is something like an emergency. Nothing prevents you from just leaving (physically, I mean), then later come back and see if the game is still on, or if you got kicked out. If it's the latter, well it's too bad, but not like you could have done something different anyway. In this case the guilt falls on the person who apparently didn't care enough about the game to wait for you to come back.

However, the subject was not emergencies per see, but the example where someone's power cuts off. I still don't understand how you can quit in this case, since you will only know the problem after your power has been cut down, in which case you can't even click leave anymore. What will happen is you'll just run out of time.

[Jellby]

In this case the guilt falls on the person who apparently didn't care enough about the game to wait for you to come back.

Which guilt? There's no guilt in expelling a player out of time. None.

[tbhp]

In this case the guilt falls on the person who apparently didn't care enough about the game to wait for you to come back.

Which guilt? There's no guilt in expelling a player out of time. None.

But you're the one who started talking about how leaving people hanging is somehow bad. If we are gonna get into the discussion of which is worse, I don't see how you can say expelling someone is not worse than just leaving a game running.

Like, in a vacuum you may like to say expelling is not guilty, fair enough. But if you start trying to say it's actually better than some innocuous behaviors, at this point the position becomes absurd.