0% ELO and a player who never play during tournament

[NightyHikari]

Hi,

I'm playing the it's a wonderful november tournament with a player who actually has -40h on his time for his turn... i'm gonna be crazy. If I quit now I will loose thsi game.... please somebody can do something about that ? This guys have 0% ELO.... I will never play a tournament again...

[nik592]

If YOU quit, yes, you will lose the game. However, the table will automatically close once maximum time is reached (for this tournament, that's one week). So just let it be - when the table is closed for reaching maximum time, placings will be awarded based on who has the most time remaining and you will be awarded the win by default.

Note that this tournament also has skipping out of time players disabled, which is why you can't kick them out. If that's something that you don't like, make sure to check the tournament settings in future. Otherwise, maximum table times will handle the non-playing player, so you don't have to worry about it.

[mrdoctor]

Tournament page here. It's easier for people to help you if you link to it: https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=607318

Timeline on the tournament page tells you that your opponent withdrew from that tournament 4 days ago.

Game maximum length is 1 week. It'll finish in 2 days.

[NightyHikari]

Thank you both of you for yours answers. I will check next time. Have a good day

[FSKFSK]

This is why I prefer "kick players who are out of time" in tournament settings. If someone is slightly under time, I usually let them finish. If someone is completely gone or nowhere on pace to finish in time, then I'll skip/kick them.

This also is why I prefer multiplayer elimination tournaments to swiss. In swiss, the slow players can stay in the tournament and pollute every round. In an elimination tournament, the slow players get kicked in the first or second round and after that almost everyone finishes in time.

[nik592]

This is why I prefer "kick players who are out of time" in tournament settings. If someone is slightly under time, I usually let them finish. If someone is completely gone or nowhere on pace to finish in time, then I'll skip/kick them.

You usually let them finish. But there are many players who don't, who ultimately will kick a player out of time to avoid losing themselves (since when booting, you can predict who will be advanced in a multi-elimination setting, and guarantee the booted player's elimination in a single elimination). I don't play tournaments much anymore anyway, but I've been kicked a number of times at less than 1 hour over time, with minimal moves left in the game. I don't tend to run out of time on non-tournament games, because I am playing regularly, but it just depends how my off-time lines up with my tablemates in a tournament.

[FSKFSK]

I usually check that tournaments have a generous time allocation before signing up. I also prefer games that have a predictable duration for number of moves, so things can't get out of hand. For example, I'll never play a worker placement game in a turn-based tournament, because that's too many moves for the time allowed. In a worker placement game, a player might get 5+ actions per turn, which can take a week or longer if the timezones don't work out.

The tournament kick/skip rule should be "You can only kick someone from a tournament if the completion percentage of the game is less than the percentage of time used." For example, if it's 10 day rounds, the game is 80% completed, and 5 days have elapsed, 80% > 50%, so someone can't be skipped. If it's 10 day rounds, the game is 20% completed, and 4 days have elapsed, 40% > 20%, so it's OK to skip someone who is out of time. This would prevent the common abuse of "skip someone who is slightly out of time in a mostly completed game".

[nik592]

I usually check that tournaments have a generous time allocation before signing up. I also prefer games that have a predictable duration for number of moves, so things can't get out of hand. For example, I'll never play a worker placement game in a turn-based tournament, because that's too many moves for the time allowed. In a worker placement game, a player might get 5+ actions per turn, which can take a week or longer if the timezones don't work out.

True. I've not really considered game types for tournaments, but then I'm not entirely sure I should have to. I do try to take games with a reasonable length of time (used to be minimum of 3 days per player, but this was before more than 30 day/game settings were available too), but it doesn't always help. Besides, it's often players who are new to tournaments that get caught out by these problems, which tends to drive them away from considering playing tournaments again - what you speak of requires some experience, and there's not really a good way to give that to a newbie (apart from some kind of FAQ, which would never happen, because to do so would be to admit their framework is largely broken in this respect).

The tournament kick/skip rule should be "You can only kick someone from a tournament if the completion percentage of the game is less than the percentage of time used." For example, if it's 10 day rounds, the game is 80% completed, and 5 days have elapsed, 80% > 50%, so someone can't be skipped. If it's 10 day rounds, the game is 20% completed, and 4 days have elapsed, 40% > 20%, so it's OK to skip someone who is out of time. This would prevent the common abuse of "skip someone who is slightly out of time in a mostly completed game".

This, I would agree with (and I think I've upvoted similar proposals in suggestions). But I'm not sure this issue is a priority for BGA and I'm also not sure how straightforward something like this would be to implement (I'm guessing not very).