Elo score makes no sense, there's something off here

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Mars4ever
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Re: Elo score makes no sense, there's something off here

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Ceaseless wrote: ↑12 November 2026, 00:43I wonder what the next game is that will be suspicious. :lol:
I need to understand what's your point here. Yes, I participated to that topic about Heat but I wasn't the one that opened it and put the suspect about other players using AI or other stuff to cheat. So, argue with that user, not me.

At Heat I've had the same weird fact: I easily got to 200 elo 3-4 years ago while now it seems barely impossible to pass that level anymore.
I assure you that I've seen, more than once, players with 150 elo play perfect moves for the entire game, guess the moves to get the slipstreams every time, always have in hand the right garage cards at the right moment, et al.
While the real beginners spin a lot of times or go too slow. So yes, I can distinguish good by bad players and if their elo is truly representative.
And 4 years ago AI didn't exist yet, what a coincidence...
Ceaseless
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Re: Elo score makes no sense, there's something off here

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Mars4ever wrote: ↑12 November 2026, 21:00
Ceaseless wrote: ↑12 November 2026, 00:43I wonder what the next game is that will be suspicious. :lol:
I need to understand what's your point here. Yes, I participated to that topic about Heat but I wasn't the one that opened it and put the suspect about other players using AI or other stuff to cheat. So, argue with that user, not me.

At Heat I've had the same weird fact: I easily got to 200 elo 3-4 years ago while now it seems barely impossible to pass that level anymore.
I assure you that I've seen, more than once, players with 150 elo play perfect moves for the entire game, guess the moves to get the slipstreams every time, always have in hand the right garage cards at the right moment, et al.
While the real beginners spin a lot of times or go too slow. So yes, I can distinguish good by bad players and if their elo is truly representative.
And 4 years ago AI didn't exist yet, what a coincidence...
That "weird fact" is nothing more than the basics of k factor, a common feature of elo. That it's been mentioned this many times and you still aren't aware of it is surprising.

Since you're at a beginner level with Patchwork and Heat right now, it's understandable that you don't really get the levels of the players above you. You're still working out the fundamentals of the game, the basics of what fits together for you and what doesn't. At that level you end up with many basic gaps in your play and may even get confused by other players still starting out with the game that have different gaps than you do. This isn't that uncommon for players.

The only unusual thing in your case is the bizarre degree of conspiratorial thinking. I can play a game of Patchwork, and though I'm not much more than a beginner myself, I can face fellow 300s and accept that I can lose to them without accusing the ones that beat me of cheating. I'll usually beat 100s pretty easily and get squashed by 500s, with the occasional upset in either direction without freaking out about it.
Mars4ever
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Re: Elo score makes no sense, there's something off here

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Pity you totally ignored the point about the fact that I wasn't the first and only one to pose the suspect about cheating.
Let's make it simple: would you bet your house about nobody ever cheats somehow around here?
Ceaseless
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Re: Elo score makes no sense, there's something off here

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Mars4ever wrote: ↑14 November 2026, 16:54 Pity you totally ignored the point about the fact that I wasn't the first and only one to pose the suspect about cheating.
Someone once accused their opponent of cheating because they had "bot" in their username. :lol: So you would not be the first or even the most absurd claim of cheating to ever exist.
Mars4ever wrote: ↑14 November 2026, 16:54 Let's make it simple: would you bet your house about nobody ever cheats somehow around here?
Do I have anything to support the idea of you being an honest player? No, you could be a cheater without my knowledge, so I wouldn't make such a bet for BGA. But that's not really a relevant standard, and that's why it's an obvious case of you moving the goalposts. The idea of an individual cheater potentially existing somewhere isn't much of anything at all. My not trusting you to be an honest player by itself would not warrant me reporting you or making a thread on the subject. I would need something far more concrete and relevant. Being able to tell the difference between such basic things is one of the simple differences between real threads about cheating, and the nonsense threads where the OP is pretty much making things up. Such nonsense threads only serve to protect cheaters, because people get used to the constant lying being made about cheating and assume that this next thread is just another fabrication. And the sad thing is they're often right; it's becoming too common that people just make things up and make it more difficult to find the real accusations in the piles of the fake ones.

Your posts indicate that you realize you've been posting nonsense, as you've been hiding from the posts that have taken apart your point, and then you try making unrelated posts with exaggerated and largely irrelevant shenanigans to try and run away from the subject. That's why you've been avoiding the obvious things like k factors, and why you try to make your claims in the wrong game forums to minimize the chance of someone calling you out. That's not fair to the people trying to make real claims.
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