Point differences in tournament

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ollyfish2002
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Point differences in tournament

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Hello
I don't understand the value in column "point differences" in round-robin tournament like this one ?
http://fr.boardgamearena.com/#!tournament?id=4417
In quoridor, it is either a win ou a concede victory.
How is counted conceding victory ?
In real-time, it is always written 0-0 in conceded victory.
0 for both ? +1 for winner and -1 for conceding
So for tie-breaks, conceded victory seems not to be considered in the point differences.
Is this a bug ?
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Oso
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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Yes, it's a bug because when you concede the game the final result is 0-0. -in quoridor games-
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ollyfish2002
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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OK
How can I report a bug that is not in the game ?
I have been to bug report and it needs game number.
Thanks
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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Hi,

This bug was not only for Quoridor but for all games where score is insignificant.

Now this is impossible to concede during a tournament, so your score always makes sense. There is no interest to concede a tournament game anyway because you always want to make the maximum score even if you loose.
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ollyfish2002
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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Thanks.
In quoridor, you can concede the game if there is no way to win. As the score is always 1 point, there is no maximum, unless you count something else (shortest path to target).
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senatorhung
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Re: Point differences in tournament

Post by senatorhung »

sourisdudesert wrote:Hi,

This bug was not only for Quoridor but for all games where score is insignificant.

Now this is impossible to concede during a tournament, so your score always makes sense. There is no interest to concede a tournament game anyway because you always want to make the maximum score even if you loose.
i noticed that conceding was not allowed in a Chestnut tourrney.

however, in this Palaces tourney matchup: http://en.boardgamearena.com/#!table?table=21359098

the opponent chose to quit the game rather than accept the negative score differential. so a potential -100 point negative became only a single -1. for round.robin tournaments where the score differential is considered in the final tournament rankings, perhaps the score differential at the time of the player's exit should stand ?
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Jest Phulin
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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sourisdudesert wrote:. There is no interest to concede a tournament game anyway because you always want to make the maximum score even if you loose.
Unless, of course, you don't want to waste your's and your opponent's time by having to make every move until a foregone conclusion. :) Quorridor is always 1-0. If I can't win, saving time by conceding is a fine option for me.
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Oso
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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Tie breakers shouldn't be about the game scoring.
Should be better if you use ELO for tie-breakers, I will give you a nice idea:

- Victories will give you X points, it depends of your opponent.
- Defeats give always 0 points

Points are added depending opponent ELO, it's 1 per each point over 1000; so beating a player with 1500 ELO, you will get 500 tie-break points.

In tied cases, both players get 0 too.
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senatorhung
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Re: Point differences in tournament

Post by senatorhung »

http://en.boardgamearena.com/#!tournament?id=4658

Potez 540 won 3rd place in this tourney by quitting out of games where they were behind, limiting their negative score differential to -1.

Estepario deserved 3rd place after recovering from close to a -200 point differential, and playing through all of his matches.

and in http://en.boardgamearena.com/#!tournament?id=5108

Potez 540 and Potez 161 (multi ??) are doing the same thing
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Oso
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Re: Point differences in tournament

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Potez 540 and Potez 161 (multi ??) are doing the same thing
He/She get in lot of my tournaments and quit too.

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