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sh1
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Elo stagnation!

Post by sh1 »

Hello...
I would suggest something:
could you put a -1 elo point to everybody each day if they don't play to a specific game,
this was done on another game site and it was a good idea
because when some player reach a high position they don't play anymore and refuse to be challenged (to stay to this status)...
fuonlynu
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Re: Elo stagnation!

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great idea /////IN MY OPINION
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Ankeszu
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by Ankeszu »

To everybody?
Well, if this rule was till my first days on BGA, I would have ELO around 400 points in one or two games. Imagine that I suddenly got interested in this game on this site, again. So I play. If I lose, nothing happens, but if I win - my opponents will be hit on elo really drastically, just because I didn't play - not because I am so far behind them in skills. Is it fair? Would it be fair in the future, when something like this can happen, if today was your suggestion introduced?

Also, what means "if they don't play"? Are we forcing everyone to play everyday? End games everyday? It hits only-turnbased players while not much damage to realtime players. I don't think telling anyone how to make fun here is good idea. I don't think it is fair for those who prefer turnbased over realtime. And I don't see any way to make it fair.

And I think I've read that suggestion before, not so long ago, surely in this year. It could be in this thread which goes deeper than your short suggestion viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10591
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Rudolf
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by Rudolf »

and +1 if under 1500 ;) like it was done on same site.
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Rudolf
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Post by Rudolf »

-1 / +1 is like a reset to 1500 after a long period.... it is a good solution
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sprockitz
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by sprockitz »

there are plenty of reasons why this is not a good idea, but let me just focus on how expecting people to play everyday is ridiculous. First off, is the fact that there are over 100 games on this site and many people are ranked in the majority of them. Personally I have a good ranking in ~50 games and expert or better in about 25. It would be physically impossible for me to play 50 games a day just to avoid being penalized, even if I spend a couple hours each day to play 3 or 4 games, that still means I'm only playing each games once every 2 weeks which means that you might as well just reset all my ratings to 1500.

Elo is meant to show how good someone is at a game, their skill doesn't change when you don't play for a day!
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Rudolf
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by Rudolf »

Hello,
Yes but 1 point/day, this is not to drink the sea (a french sentence) ? that means very good players would have to change game often (at least on per month).
This could also be a "privilege" of premium category, 'not to decrement'.

Also, another idea: the master challenge (like tourmanent), allow people 1 rank lower to challenge you (in only one game), and master gets control of options. (with a time limit for 15 days turn/turn max) ... means the 11th can challenge the 10th .... 2nd the 1st , etc...

I will create a post for that..
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Romain672
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by Romain672 »

Personnally, i prefer a reducing of elo each month/3monts/6monts/year by an important amont for everybody compared to 1500.

For example (with -20%), someone with 1800 will loose 60 elo ((1800-1500)*0,2), and someone with 2000 will loose 100 elo ((2000-1500)*0,2).
It force player to get a high avance on their elo or just play for keep their place.
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Re: Elo stagnation!

Post by Liallan »

I too know of a site that applies this "punishment" and I detest it. It's not uncommon for me not to even go to the site for a few months and all my scores have seriously dropped, despite that I didn't suddenly get that bad at the games. (Over time you can lose some ability in a game, but not that drastically in a few months, if at all.) Fortunately when you play again, it internally knows where your score was and you're back to normal again.

There's several reason for this being a bad idea, some of which are already stated:
*It's not a fair score to match up with other players and the results aren't fair.
*It can keep someone out of a game they actually do qualify for.
*Sometimes people simply get burnt on a game and need to get away from it for a while.
*Even if it's "just" 1 point a day, if someone knows 30 games and can play one game per day, they'd basically be losing 30 points every month and gaining, what? How do you build ELO that way? And people can't necessarily be on here every day. Some people only come occasionally so why should their ELO's all drop into hell?
*The whole concept of forcing people to play certain games if they care about their ELO is not fair.
*And it is completely, totally and in every way BAD for anyone who plays turn-based.

If the ideas is just dealing with people who refuse to play a game and stay at the top of the charts (which doesn't even particularly bother me), surely there's a better way to deal with it than punishing everyone and forcing them into playing particular games.
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