saboteurs - everyone write in the chat what their cards are

[Krisuuu]

Hello
saboteurs game

Why is it tolerated that everyone write in the chat what their cards are
after all, it is forbidden in the instructions

everyone exchanges information about who has cards before each move

[Yorgad]

Is it ? Since this is a bluff game, as long as it remains public information available to all players, I don't see it as an issue.
I ususally play Saboteur 1 with 7 players and "max sabs" variant, and not communicating would result in a pure gamble.
What's actually interesting is the said and the unsaid...

Edit: After reviewing the rules (both French and English), I couldn't find where "it is forbidden in the instructions". Could you be more specific?

Cheezs,
Y.

[Krisuuu]

Each player receives one
card, checks its role, and then places the card face down in front of him, without revealing its content to anyone
from other players.

Each player takes the appropriate number of cards and does not reveal them
other participants.

When a player plays this card, he carefully raises one of the three objective cards, glances at it (no
revealing its content to other players), then puts it back in place,

• 3-5 players: 6 cards each
• 6-7 players: 5 cards each
• 8-10 players: 4 cards each
Each player takes the appropriate number of cards and does not reveal them
other participants.

Has anyone played real saboteurs?
card holding in his hands does not show the other players
gold can only be seen by one person and does not tell others what they saw (this is in the instructions)

This is a game where you have to guess who has the cards, where is the gold and why someone does it this way

at the moment it looks like everyone before his move informs what cards he has, he asks what cards others have
I have a left turn, I have a right turn, I will block a saboteur and you will collapse the tunnel

that's not how you play this game
that is not what it is about
This is a game of speculation and uncertainty

[Krisuuu]

example
Put the appropriate numbers of gold-diggers and saboteurs into one deck and shuffle. Each player is dealt
one card, which he looks at and puts face down on the table in front of himself without revealing his role
to any of the other players. The remaining card is put aside (also face down) until the end of the round.

without revealing his role
to any of the other players.

you can show me in the instructions
that players can say what cards they have before the move,
where is the gold (he carefully picks up one of the three goal cards - manual)
and consulting together

keeps the card in his hand
this is also in the manual

[sourisdudesert]

Revealing = not showing your card to the other player.

But you are allowed to speak, to lie, or to say the truth.

You can contact the game designer if you need to have confirmation about this:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesi ... -moyersoen

[Krisuuu]

if two players from one team tell their cards
that is synonymous with showing her

quote from the creator of the game
Frederic Moyersoen

C’est seulement lorsque le trésor sera partagé, que les rôles seront dévoilés.

most importantly
instructions were written to play in real life

so it's logical that if you can't show, you can't talk

[CB Droege]

Okay, but if you play at a table, it's totally legal to TELL other players what cards you have. You could be lying, and that's part of the game. The only thing that's illegal is actually showing the cards, which you can't do on BGA anyway (unless the other players are like... taking screenshots with datestamps and sharing those somehow... THAT would be breaking the rules.)

[kicekjuve]

if two players from one team tell their cards
that is synonymous with showing her

1) People can lie
2) Whatever you say in public chat - opponents see it as well and can use it to their advantage. If people spoke in private, then it would be cheating.

End of story

[Krisuuu]

Revealing = not showing your card to the other player.

it doesn't matter if everyone knows who they are

if I know that the other person is on my team
so what's the difference whether she shows me cards or tells me what cards I have

I know that I will not show them because the possibilities of the website do not allow it
but it is the same

it just breaks the game
then it has nothing to do with guessing or misleading opponents

if the players confer together and exchange information about their cards before each move


and don't write that you can be misled
because in 99% of games after 2 queues everyone knows who is who

and no one is trying to mislead anyone
it is simply showing / informing what cards you have


In such a situation
in most games the team with better cards wins

no mistakes, no misleading
there is no uncertainty

then it is boring and monotonous
the one who has better cards wins, not the one who is smarter and thinks better

enter a much shorter time to move
this will limit joint consultation

now it is so that you have to wait up to 10 minutes before the turn comes
because everyone must first describe everything in the chat

[Yorgad]

Krisuuu,

You raise some valid points regarding consequences for telling your cards.
However, cosidering it breaks the game remains your opinion. I for one consider not telling anything breaks the game (and I'd be happy to further discuss on that).

Now debating whether "reveal" actually means "show your card" or "tell your card", I'd stick to sourisdudesert's answer above.

Cheers,
Y.