[BETA] XP and Achievements: Gotta catch'em all !

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ST13
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Re: [BETA] XP and Achievements: Gotta catch'em all !

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The arena went fine. Passions raged to the finish. There were many pleasant emotions and wrestling. You are just great. Thanks. But we, like you, want the Arena to be even better. I’ll tell you where it was difficult. You can go through the lower leagues. Let them be 5 or 10. But when you get into the elite league. And you meet with an equal opponent in the ranking of the bronze league. This is scary. You have a 1: 1 chance of winning. And the accrual of points is 1: 8. I suggest that scoring in such cases be done according to the rating of players with a slight adjustment for the leagues in which they are located. Also, that I would correct. Two players will meet different in level, and play 5-6 games in a row. They both like it. Please let them play. But a strong player in such cases quickly rises in the table of results. It is not very pretty.
Regards ST13.
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I actually regard this update as a bad idea.

The designs for new badges are not attractive in my opinion, and also some of my friends here mumble for it which discourages them from playing. I suggest admins to make a poll when there are major updates so as to better understand public opinion.

For the Xp system, the following problems occurred:

1. I dont think the new system encourages top players to continue. They still won't get any extra credits if they get first of a game, instead, the points of getting first has been deducted comparing to the past which discourages players to climb up.

2. I wonder starting from which day the "toppest" achievement is recorded, this is unfair to some players who have got first in the game in the past before this update.

3. For new games just released, there would have been many players getting the "toppest" achievement. How would you like to tackle with this issue, and starting from which day after the game released would toppest achievements taken into account?

I actually think both system can co-exist here. Both the "current first" and "historial first" as they have different meaning.
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Lastly, 300 xp for a tournament is really very few. I don't even have the intention to join as I have to beat so many people (for some tournaments it takes like months or even years, and have to beat like 100+ layers) and play regularly there but just to get 300 as a champion.

I suggest resuming to the original style for tournaments, or slightly reduce the points of the original scale but not using 300 as a maximum.
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lincoln9818 wrote: 17 April 2020, 04:04 I actually regard this update as a bad idea.

The designs for new badges are not attractive in my opinion, and also some of my friends here mumble for it which discourages them from playing. I suggest admins to make a poll when there are major updates so as to better understand public opinion.

For the Xp system, the following problems occurred:

1. I dont think the new system encourages top players to continue. They still won't get any extra credits if they get first of a game, instead, the points of getting first has been deducted comparing to the past which discourages players to climb up.

2. I wonder starting from which day the "toppest" achievement is recorded, this is unfair to some players who have got first in the game in the past before this update.

3. For new games just released, there would have been many players getting the "toppest" achievement. How would you like to tackle with this issue, and starting from which day after the game released would toppest achievements taken into account?

I actually think both system can co-exist here. Both the "current first" and "historial first" as they have different meaning.
The 300 xp cap for tournaments is a temporary thing until they can figure out how best to award them. So all the tournaments that have been changed to 300 will go back to a larger value once they figure out a proper scaling.

To address the other topics.

On #1, while you can't gain any more all-time points by continuing to play, it doesn't discourage continuing to play any more than before...but encourages people to keep playing for the joy of the game (instead of people not playing to protect their Elo...the arena competition also encourages players to continue playing competitive games.

#2 I agree, it isn't perfect, would be nice to be able to apply historical data, but it sounds impossible...well at least prohibitively difficult, so we will have to take what we can get here.

#3 I also agree this is an issue and look forward to seeing what solution they come up with...maybe a game doesn't award xp until a certain date after release, maybe 2 months but just throwing a number out there.

Another question this begs is how is the xp value of a game computed, and could it change over time if a game increases or decreases in popularity? It seems there are 5 different values for rank #1 based on how popular a game is...from 3000 all the way up to 30,000. If a game moves up or down in points due to a shift in popularity would people's past trophy values also change?
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Regarding changes in game popularity and new games, I think a reasonable solution might be awarding points regarding the popularity of the game at the time - so a completely new game might award an Achievement, but would have 0 or negligible experience. Of course, that would be a problem later on when the same person goes on top again, so I think you could keep the bigger amount (i.e. if a game falls on popularity and someone goes back on top, they keep the previous points. If it goes up in popularity, it updates to the new amount). Another solution could be to award points to the period of time the person was on first - stay there for a day, get a few points. stay for a year, get 365 times that or so. But that could be hard to display and such.

Also, to echo some complaints, I don't think the new visuals are good either. I don~t have much of a problem with the cartoonish feel, but it is contrastant to the rest of the website. We have a wooden backboard, with clear overlays, and the XP is black with colorful cartoons. On top of that, it is cluttered - maybe similar achievements could update instead of add up (e.g. showing the 3 victories Achievement is unecessary when you have the 10 victories one and so on).
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Re: [BETA] XP and Achievements: Gotta catch'em all !

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How do I create a non-arena game now? Is it still possible?
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Darnoc wrote: 20 April 2020, 12:39 How do I create a non-arena game now? Is it still possible?
Play now > Arena > Simple game
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Re: [BETA] XP and Achievements: Gotta catch'em all !

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Does anyone have info how the "World elo leader" achievement is currently awarded for newer games? I got rank 1 in La Granja today ( only 243 elo, but still ) and nothing happened :lol:
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elfenyu wrote: 20 April 2020, 14:18 Does anyone have info how the "World elo leader" achievement is currently awarded for newer games? I got rank 1 in La Granja today ( only 243 elo, but still ) and nothing happened
You have to be at least at 300 elo to get this achievement

https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 300#p55683
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_LBS_ wrote: 20 April 2020, 14:34 You to be at least at 300 elo to get this achievement
Cool, thanks for the info!
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