Love this post. Backgammon is not much of a game without the cube - crawford rule, etc. FIBS and other related sites remain the better option until BGA's version gets upgraded. Fingers crossed....punkstarman wrote: ↑18 October 2018, 15:10 I'd like to jump into this discussion, if I may and bring some of my experience as a player and developer.
I have played a lot of backgammon online and IRL. Backgammon waned in popularity until the doubling cube was introduced in the 1920s. Not only was it used in gambling, but also in tournament play.
I see two major ways the cube impacts the game. Firstly, it actually speeds the game up. Even if the receiver takes a while to evaluate the offer, on the whole the game goes faster. Secondly, it adds more weight to strategy. Knowing when to double is a very strategic decision as well as knowing when to accept or concede. On the flipside, it keeps blind luck from spoiling solid play.
The addition of the cube can be implemented by adding the following options which would still allow players to create 1-point matches without the cube as before.And one mustn't forget to count multipliers for gammons and backgammons.
- number of points: from 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 or 9 (maybe at first?)
doubling cube: yes or no? (yes by default if points > 1)
crawford rule: yes or no? (yes by default if points > 1 and doubling cube on)
jacoby rule: yes or no? (no by default)
As for the impact on ELO, you must take two new factors into account: margin of victory and length of match. In a 1 or 3-point match there is much more uncertainty in the expected result. A 5-point match is a good balance between speed of the game and promotion of skill. In matches from 9-points or higher, there is little room for luck, and thus the result is a true reflection of the difference in skill.
As for development, I'd be happy to pitch in if someone could show me the ropes.
Should we ask for the doubling cube?
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Re: Should we ask for the doubling cube?
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Re: Should we ask for the doubling cube?
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I was surprised to see no Doubling Cube on BGA's backgammon. I learned the game as a kid without it, but my how the Doubling Cube improves backgammon.
One way to implement the Doubling Cube on BGA is to have options for number of points played to in a single game. Shorter games go to 3, 5, or 9 points, longer games to 17 or 33, and epic games can stretch out to 65, 129, or 257 points. Match is always set at a n²+1.
There's precedent for this on BGA: Lost Cites is played over 3 matches, and Jaipur is played to 2 wins out of a possible 3. Seems like an easy adaptation to code in one of backgammon's most essential functions.
One way to implement the Doubling Cube on BGA is to have options for number of points played to in a single game. Shorter games go to 3, 5, or 9 points, longer games to 17 or 33, and epic games can stretch out to 65, 129, or 257 points. Match is always set at a n²+1.
There's precedent for this on BGA: Lost Cites is played over 3 matches, and Jaipur is played to 2 wins out of a possible 3. Seems like an easy adaptation to code in one of backgammon's most essential functions.
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Re: Should we ask for the doubling cube?
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Dear Concerned.
I vote for no cube play online. In person yes. We players get approx. 10 or more rating points each win. And no cube limits abusive bahaviour from bad actors.
I vote for no cube play online. In person yes. We players get approx. 10 or more rating points each win. And no cube limits abusive bahaviour from bad actors.
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Re: Should we ask for the doubling cube?
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I would love doubling cube and ability to play series.
They would certainly have to change how the next roll appears immediately and without prompting.
They would certainly have to change how the next roll appears immediately and without prompting.
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- ↳ Vault A Solitaire Dice Game
- ↳ Dice Theme Park
- ↳ Verso
- ↳ Fruit Picking
- ↳ Panda Rei
- ↳ Now Boarding
- ↳ Tang Hu Lu
- ↳ Botanicus
- ↳ Red7
- ↳ March of the Crab
- ↳ Lady's Choice
- ↳ Ninjan
- ↳ Misty
- ↳ Abra Chadabra
- ↳ VektoRace
- ↳ Linkage
- ↳ Lines of Action
- ↳ Sail
- ↳ Bobail
- ↳ Cuttle
- ↳ sparts
- ↳ Armadöra
- ↳ Tortuga 1667
- ↳ Gosu X
- ↳ River of Gold
- ↳ Jump Gate
- ↳ Odicey
- ↳ Jokerball
- ↳ LUZ
- ↳ Samarkand
- ↳ Durak
- ↳ Wizards Cup
- ↳ Art Thief
- ↳ Kokeshi
- ↳ Coupell
- ↳ Lumen: The Lost World
- ↳ Go Fish
- ↳ Quetzal
- ↳ Golfie
- ↳ Tranquility
- ↳ Dédale
- ↳ Resolve
- ↳ Envelopes of Cash
- ↳ Crisps
- ↳ Stalk exchange
- ↳ Sir Ocelot's cave
- ↳ Claim
- ↳ Shifting Stones
- ↳ Quarto
- ↳ Art Decko
- ↳ Age of Civilization
- ↳ Mesos
- ↳ Hidden Leaders
- ↳ Yokai
- ↳ Battle of LITS
- ↳ Conspiracy
- ↳ Dice Hospital: ER – Emergency Roll
- ↳ Let's Catch the Lion!
- ↳ Luxor
- ↳ Forks: 2nd Edition
- ↳ Color Pop
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Qu4to
- ↳ Cephalopod
- ↳ Tablut
- ↳ 12 Chip Trick
- ↳ icecoldicehockey
- ↳ Cucumber
- ↳ German Whist
- ↳ Shogun
- ↳ Oriflamme
- ↳ Bower
- ↳ Verona Twist
- ↳ Balloon Pop!
- ↳ None Shall Pass!
- ↳ District Noir
- ↳ It's a Wonderful Kingdom
- ↳ Refuge
- ↳ Seikatsu
- ↳ Applejack
- ↳ The Itty Bitty Card Game
- ↳ Treos
- ↳ Kulami
- ↳ Happy City
- ↳ Paper World
- ↳ Coin Age
- ↳ Trailblazers
- ↳ Roll Into Town
- ↳ The Hanging Gardens
- ↳ Dungeon Rummy
- ↳ Road to 300
- ↳ Circle of Life
- ↳ Kingscraft
- ↳ Caper: Europe
- ↳ President
- ↳ Gomoku
- ↳ GoldnCrash
- ↳ Takara Island
- ↳ Sherlock 13
- ↳ Choconnect
- ↳ Mapmaker: The Gerrymandering Game
- ↳ The Jelly Monster Lab
- ↳ Shut the Box
- ↳ Tiwanaku
- ↳ China Gold
- ↳ Ginkgopolis
- ↳ Mythicals the boardgame
- ↳ Seotda
- ↳ Dragon Castle
- ↳ Bug
- ↳ Bunny Drops
- ↳ Sfynx
- ↳ Classified Information
- ↳ Little Factory
- ↳ Metro
- ↳ Thurn and Taxis
- ↳ Cake Master
- ↳ Sneferu: Builders of the Pyramids
- ↳ Pocket Cats
- ↳ Orion Duel
- ↳ Propuh
- ↳ Piratas!
- ↳ Streetcar
- ↳ Mind Up!
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Diamonds
- ↳ The Last
- ↳ Con Sonar!
- ↳ Love Links
- ↳ Caravan
- ↳ Moon River
- ↳ Jekyll vs. Hyde
- ↳ Sergeant Major
- ↳ ECK
- ↳ Battlegammon
- ↳ Via Magica
- ↳ Expeditions: around the world
- ↳ Newton
- ↳ EKONOS
- ↳ Mexica
- ↳ 42
- ↳ Cosmos: Empires
- ↳ Architects of Amytis
- ↳ Tiny Turbo Cars
- ↳ Ekko
- ↳ Kami
- ↳ Karvi
- ↳ Crazy Farmers
- ↳ Masters of Renaissance: Lorenzo il Magnifico – The Card Game
- ↳ Siam
- ↳ Aniversus
- ↳ Uptown
- ↳ Kabaleo
- ↳ Qamgo
- ↳ Hex
- ↳ Nibble
- ↳ Medina
- ↳ Room 25
- ↳ Duck & Cover
- ↳ Simplicity
- ↳ Buttons
- ↳ Big Two
- ↳ Kahuna
- ↳ Hadara
- ↳ Ynaros Fallin
- ↳ Skate Legend
- ↳ Finca
- ↳ Calypso
- ↳ Bacon
- ↳ Age of Champagne
- ↳ Tulip & Rose
- ↳ L'Oracle B.A-BET
- ↳ Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe
- ↳ Battle Spirits Saga
- ↳ Veletas
- ↳ GOLDblivion
- ↳ Zola
- ↳ Quirky Quarks
- ↳ 99 (trick-taking card game)
- ↳ Elfenland
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ High Season
- ↳ Flaming Pyramids
- ↳ Oxono
- ↳ Equinox
- ↳ Connect6
- ↳ Illustori
- ↳ Sahwari
- ↳ Dicy Cards
- ↳ Geek Out! Masters
- ↳ The Gnomes of Zavandor
- ↳ Forever Home
- ↳ Neom
- ↳ SetUp
- ↳ Steam Works
- ↳ On Tour
- ↳ Spring Cleaning
- ↳ Ice and the Sky
- ↳ Zefiria
- ↳ Konane
- ↳ Homesteaders
- ↳ The King's Guild
- ↳ 3000 Scoundrels
- ↳ Florenza: The Card Game
- ↳ Thermopyles
- ↳ The Fox in the Forest: Duet
- ↳ Power Vacuum
- ↳ Vault A Den of Thieves
- ↳ Coal Baron
- ↳ Unrest
- ↳ Okanagan: Valley of the Lakes
- ↳ Nacho Pile
- ↳ Hack Trick
- ↳ That Time You Killed Me
- ↳ Sobek
- ↳ Yaniv
- ↳ Almadi
- ↳ Looot
- ↳ Romi Rami
- ↳ Forage
- ↳ Batalla de Coronas
- ↳ Solar Storm
- ↳ Loco Momo
- ↳ Cardiceo
- ↳ GrumbleStone
- ↳ Trike
- ↳ Legendary Inventors
- ↳ Koryŏ
- ↳ That's Life!
- ↳ Lielow
- ↳ Dark Agent
- ↳ Flowers: A Mandala Game
- ↳ Solo Whist
- ↳ Copenhagen
- ↳ HUND
- ↳ Flip Freighters
- ↳ Sapiens
- ↳ Boreal
- ↳ Eminent Domain: Microcosm
- ↳ Maps of Misterra
- ↳ Micro Midgard
- ↳ All In
- ↳ OASIS New Hope
- ↳ Castles of Caleira
- ↳ Goblin Hood
- ↳ For the King (and Me)
- ↳ Starship Merchants
- ↳ Evergreen
- ↳ Boomerang: Australia
- ↳ Once Upon A Forest
- ↳ Megalomania
- ↳ Caribbean All Fours
- ↳ Cradle to Grave
- ↳ Le Roy des Ribauds
- ↳ Palace
- ↳ Dice Summoners
- ↳ Divercité
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ Yokai Septet
- ↳ Astra
- ↳ Insert
- ↳ Niagara
- ↳ gaia
- ↳ Number Drop
- ↳ Rest In Peace
- ↳ Vidrasso
- ↳ The Ruhr: A Story of Coal Trade
- ↳ United Square
- ↳ Noir: Killer versus Inspector
- ↳ Diced Tomatoes
- ↳ The Builders: Antiquity
- ↳ Meridians
- ↳ Barbu
- ↳ Dinosaur Tea Party
- ↳ Origin
- ↳ Exit Strategy
- ↳ Boss Quest
- ↳ Expedition: Northwest Passage
- ↳ Through the Ages
- ↳ 24/7: The Game
- ↳ Whist 22
- ↳ Gift of Tulips
- ↳ Volfyirion Guilds
- ↳ Zuuli
- ↳ FIKA
- ↳ Don't Go In There
- ↳ Vaalbara
- ↳ Humanity
- ↳ Neutreeko
- ↳ Hawaii
- ↳ Xanadu
- ↳ Murus Gallicus
- ↳ Colorado
- ↳ The Mother Road: Route 66
- ↳ Secret Moon
- ↳ Diablo
- ↳ Nain Jaune
- ↳ HUGO
- ↳ Robots Ate Our Pizza
- ↳ I'm The Boss
- ↳ Empire Plateau: The Lateral Thinking Tactical Strategy Wargame
- ↳ Micro Dojo
- ↳ Ghost At Home
- ↳ Rift Valley Reserve
- ↳ Legend Raiders
- ↳ Betta
- ↳ Streets
- ↳ cucco
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Mia
- ↳ Crime Zoom: A Dirty Objective
- ↳ Oust
- ↳ Line It
- ↳ Crypt
- ↳ Silo
- ↳ Knockout Whist
- ↳ Legends of Hellas
- ↳ Las Vegan
- ↳ Raubbau
- ↳ Tucano
- ↳ Lifeline
- ↳ Rive
- ↳ Sensei
- ↳ Hungarian Tarokk
- ↳ Impasse
- ↳ Drones vs Seagulls
- ↳ Stir Fry Eighteen
- ↳ Trusis
- ↳ Gosu
- ↳ Look at the Stars
- ↳ Schrödinger's Cats
- ↳ Cubosaurs
- ↳ Canosa
- ↳ Hydroracers
- ↳ Yin Yang
- ↳ Fairy Trails
- ↳ Veggie Garden
- ↳ mow
- ↳ Chocolate Factory
- ↳ 8 Masters' Revenge
- ↳ Noah
- ↳ Amyitis
- ↳ Signorie
- ↳ Injawara
- ↳ Regidice
- ↳ Pedro
- ↳ Factum
- ↳ Kingdoms
- ↳ Baby Dinosaur Rescue
- ↳ Vege Tables
- ↳ Egocentric World
- ↳ EpiZodiak
- ↳ Blue Skies
- ↳ Fai-fo
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Senshi
- ↳ Big Monster
- ↳ Small Islands
- ↳ Lineae
- ↳ Mascarade
- ↳ Dragon Keeper: The Dungeon
- ↳ Icebreaker
- ↳ Yspahan
- ↳ Iwari
- ↳ Nicodemus
- ↳ Eruption
- ↳ Troyes Dice
- ↳ Morocco
- ↳ SteamRollers
- ↳ Blaze
- ↳ Madeira
- ↳ Exploration: Warzone
- ↳ Tea Time
- ↳ Zener
- ↳ Penalty Challenge
- ↳ EVL
- ↳ Lost Explorers
- ↳ Herrlof
- ↳ Turn the tide
- ↳ Off the Rails
- ↳ Krosmaster Blast
- ↳ Grand Bazaar
- ↳ Grosstarock
- ↳ Trick of the Rails
- ↳ Rolled West
- ↳ NXS
- ↳ Hoarders
- ↳ Saint Poker
- ↳ Bombay
- ↳ Nautilus
- ↳ Cinco
- ↳ Gopher
- ↳ The Void
- ↳ Metromania
- ↳ Guildes
- ↳ KQJ
- ↳ Phat
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Quantik
- ↳ Mammalath
- ↳ Uncle Chestnut's Table Gype
- ↳ ToeShamBo
- ↳ Biyi
- ↳ Nanga Parbat
- ↳ Diam's
- ↳ Coup
- ↳ Gear & Piston
- ↳ GORami
- ↳ Dragon Line
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ Tiki
- ↳ Gygès
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ 15 Days
- ↳ 15 Jours en France
- ↳ 5Pairs
- ↳ A Fistful of Gold
- ↳ APEX
- ↳ AVES
- ↳ Alakablast
- ↳ Amazonas
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ Arabella
- ↳ Auntie Mildred's list of random tasks
- ↳ Aurum
- ↳ Bamboozle
- ↳ Battleships Pencil & Paper
- ↳ Bauer
- ↳ Bebop
- ↳ Bids
- ↳ Blast Radius
- ↳ Block Arena
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Blot
- ↳ Bug Off
- ↳ Bunny Boom
- ↳ CATsle Builder
- ↳ Cannonades
- ↳ Capybara'n'Capyabara
- ↳ Carcassonne
- ↳ Cassino
- ↳ Chandigarh
- ↳ Cheez-Tricks
- ↳ Churn
- ↳ Circle Of Life: on the Savannah
- ↳ Coins
- ↳ Coloretto
- ↳ Confusing Lands
- ↳ Cookie battle
- ↳ Crash
- ↳ Crits & Tricks
- ↳ Custodian Dice
- ↳ Dance of Muses
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deliverance
- ↳ Detective Poker
- ↳ Dickory
- ↳ Digging For Dinos
- ↳ Dobro
- ↳ Draft Cider
- ↳ Dragon Keeper, The Dungeon
- ↳ Dragonarium
- ↳ Enemy Anemone
- ↳ Eriantys
- ↳ Expressions
- ↳ Falconry
- ↳ Festi’vibes
- ↳ Fibonachos
- ↳ Fight the Landlord
- ↳ Finity
- ↳ Five Three Five
- ↳ Flockers
- ↳ Flume
- ↳ For-Ex
- ↳ Four Gardens
- ↳ Fox on the Tree
- ↳ GIPF
- ↳ Game of Trains
- ↳ Garden Nation
- ↳ Gems of Iridescia
- ↳ Get on Board: Paris & Roma
- ↳ Get the MacGuffin
- ↳ Go_sandboxversion
- ↳ Golems
- ↳ Good Fortune
- ↳ Greasy Spoon
- ↳ Group
- ↳ Grund
- ↳ Guile
- ↳ Gyges
- ↳ Hadron
- ↳ Hawaiian Hanafuda
- ↳ Heckin Hounds
- ↳ Herooj
- ↳ Hey! That's my fish
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Hội Phố (Second Edition)
- ↳ Isaac
- ↳ Kaiser
- ↳ Kani Nari Ebi
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Kinapa
- ↳ Kmakici Family's greatest teatime
- ↳ Knister
- ↳ Kraken Up
- ↳ Les toits de Paris
- ↳ Lewis & Clark
- ↳ Livingstone
- ↳ Logger
- ↳ Lunar
- ↳ Maatatahay
- ↳ Malabares
- ↳ Mango
- ↳ Mattock
- ↳ Meadow
- ↳ Metz
- ↳ Mighty
- ↳ Minefield
- ↳ Minhwatu
- ↳ Mod Ten
- ↳ Monster Factory
- ↳ Monster Hex
- ↳ Monster Smash
- ↳ Moolight: The Land of the Wolves
- ↳ Mutant Crops
- ↳ Nap
- ↳ Narabi
- ↳ Neon Reign
- ↳ Nylon-ppong
- ↳ ONE
- ↳ Olenon
- ↳ Onda
- ↳ Open Season
- ↳ Paikō
- ↳ Palourde
- ↳ Park Life
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Persona Non Grata
- ↳ Pescado Novo
- ↳ Piepmatz
- ↳ Pier 18
- ↳ Piles!
- ↳ Pirates Under Fire
- ↳ Pook
- ↳ Positano
- ↳ Puerto Rico
- ↳ Quest Inc.
- ↳ Quiltable
- ↳ Quinque
- ↳ Quintus
- ↳ Race for the Galaxy
- ↳ Redstone
- ↳ Relative Space
- ↳ Roppyakken
- ↳ Rowdy Partners
- ↳ Rumble Planet
- ↳ Safari Witness
- ↳ Savanna Ten
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Scream Park
- ↳ Sea Shells
- ↳ Seven Knights Bewitched
- ↳ Sheep Boom Bah
- ↳ Skirmish: Battle for Draconia
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Soulaween
- ↳ Spellcrafter
- ↳ Splitter
- ↳ Squadro
- ↳ Stigméria
- ↳ Stonks
- ↳ Strategic Reserve
- ↳ Strawberry Sunset
- ↳ Sunrise Sunset
- ↳ Suspeição
- ↳ Tapas
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ The Great American Fox Hunt
- ↳ The Great Split
- ↳ The King of the Woods
- ↳ The Little Flower Shop
- ↳ The Nine Domains
- ↳ Tholos
- ↳ Thrive
- ↳ Tien Len
- ↳ Time Splicers
- ↳ Tiny Farms
- ↳ Toepen
- ↳ Tomatoss
- ↳ TriATri
- ↳ Trickarus
- ↳ Troggu
- ↳ Twin Palms
- ↳ Two-Ten-Jack
- ↳ Unane
- ↳ Up or Down?
- ↳ Vegetable Stock
- ↳ Verdant Arizona
- ↳ Via Gladiola
- ↳ Vizia
- ↳ Waddle
- ↳ Wana
- ↳ Whist
- ↳ Word Traveler
- ↳ Xxung
- ↳ Yoxii
- ↳ Zookeepers
- ↳ Àiyé
- ↳ Écarté