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FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by sourisdudesert »

Hi,

There have been quite a lot of reactions to our announcement about BGA+Asmodee, with some subjects that have been raised several times, so we thought it deserves a little FAQ (this one). So as an exception => second forum thread.

If you didn't read the announcement, you should read it first, as we tried to answer most questions directly on it.

We tried our best to gather the questions that have been asked a lot and was not answered in the initial announcement. If we see that there are still some unanswered questions that make sense we will do another FAQ.


Why not communicate in the news section / front page? Are you trying to hide something?


We did a press release, translated in many languages and sent to a big number of journalists. It has been published on all major board games news websites. So if we wanted to hide something, we've been very bad at it :)

At the same time, the number of "views" of our announcement and forum post is public, and as you can see this announcement has been viewed more times than any other recent news.

There is a very good game today in the news, and it corresponds to important information with a visible change for all BGA players (new major game). In the opposite, there is no visible change on the website with the BGA+Asmodee announcement, so replacing the Res Arcana news by the BGA+Asmodee news would have been an unuseful and bad decision.



Are the prices going to rise?

At first, I should mention that we agreed by contract (ie: between BGA and Asmodee) that the prices will be fixed by the BGA team, and not by Asmodee.

So basically, on this subject, the BGA+Asmodee (or BGAsmodee like I read - good one) does not change anything: if in the future there is a price change, well, it would have probably been the same without this announcement.

Now, to answer the question directly: maybe, but probably not in the near future, and anyway it is highly probable that we keep our current model (low prices) as it has proven its success.





Has BGA been developed by volunteers?

We need to distinguish 2 things here:
_ the games themselves
_ all the rest, what we called "the meta site"

The "meta site" has been developed exclusively by the BGA team (founders + employees / occasional freelancer), so there is no subject here.

The games have been developed either by the BGA team, by volunteers, by developers paid by BGA or by a publisher, and sometimes directly by their designers.

But why having volunteers?

You are a lot to play on BGA, so a lot of publishers want to publish their game here to make people aware about it. The problem is the following: even if the developer cost for an adaptation on BGA is quite low, it is still several thousands euros, so it is way too high for 80% of games / game publishers.

Fortunately, some developers like to develop games on BGA in their free time, for fun, for helping a game publisher or game designer they like, and also because you (as a community of players) make them proud every day of their work. So, at the same time, a lot of developers want to develop games on BGA as volunteers.

What we do is making publishers meet volunteers (and the opposite), for the benefits of both parties, and for the benefit of the BGA players.

This subject (volunteers) is one of the most discussed in the reaction following the BGA+Asmodee announcement, and I found this very paradoxal. Here is why: in fact, if our main focus was "money", it would have been easier to do without the help of the volunteers. We would have focused on the 20% games with the highest potential, those that bring today to BGA almost all its audience / premium / money (and are developed by "regular" developers). Instead of that, we invest money and time (and even recently hire a dedicated person) to build a development platform to allow every developer from the community to help us. We are doing that because it was the right thing to do to give a chance to any game from any publisher, even the smallest one, to have its adaptation on BGA. Do we get a benefit from this? Probably not because these games are... free. Maybe a little, because they are attracting players on BGA. And we're not asking us this question anyway: we just do it. But what is awkward is that no one write about "what if BGA+Asmodee stop the volunteers developer support?", which would have been a good question (answer: no we won't), but the other questions about the volunteers make in fact little sense to us.


Why would the volunteers want to develop for a "big" company?

BGA volunteers did not develop their adaptations "for" BGA, or the company behind BGA, or the owners of BGA. They developed their adaptations for a game publisher or a game designer that need help to make players aware about their games.

As explained in the previous question, this is not even sure that there is a money benefit for BGA with the volunteer work, as these games are proposed for free.

So the situation remains quite unchanged: there are still game publishers who need to make players aware of their games, these adaptations are still non-profitable no matter what, and the only possible way to have these adaptations is the great community of developers we have on BGA, whoever is the owner of BGA.



Why not alternative solutions?

We have been running BGA for 11 years, and we were looking for a solution for the long term, which means that the equivalent question is "how to make BGA run without us", which imply the other question "who is going to own BGA".

So the only question that matters is "who is the best owner for BGA for the long term?".

Some of you talked about "the players", which means "stock market", which means "anyone with enough money to buy the majority of the shares". No way we wanted to do that.

At this step, most entrepreneurs choose to go with some "investor fund". Choosing that option would mean that the main focus of the owner would be on money, not board games. No thanks.

So some of you talked about "small game publishers". Sorry, but if the idea is to make sure BGA will be there in 20 years, it is better not to rely on another small company that may not be there in 20 years.

So among all big publishers, why choose this one? Well, simple clue: look at the "most expected games" list on our frontpage, which didn't change very much in years. You'll see that on the 7 games displayed, 5 are published by the same group. Guess who? ;)

Because of this and everything we said in the announcement, we think that Asmodee is the right partner. In 5, 10 , 20 years, there will still be there, there will still be major, and their main focus will be "board games". So no matter what happens, you can be 100% sure BGA will be important for Asmodee and that they will take care of BGA.

Asmodee going to ruin BGA? Is the Asmodee goal to kill BGA?

We understand that some of you had some bad experiences with Asmodee and/or think it is the "big evil".

We are not aware of all the details, and basically it doesn't matter because what we care about is BGA and what Asmodee can offer to BGA.

So no, Asmodee's plan is not "to kill BGA". They could have killed us in many different ways in the past, and they didn't.

Now, is all of this going to work well? We think yes. Obviously we can't be 100% sure because that's what the future is: unsure. But no matter what, we will continue to work and achieve this goal.

But the fact is: look at BGA today. Is it really different from BGA from last week? Do you have less fun today playing on BGA?

My point is: we may be right, we may be wrong, only the future can tell, but when I read comments today like "bye bye BGA", it sounds like a "Minority report guilty judgement" to me.



There is no use for Asmodee to buy BGA to keep it as it is, so why do you say nothing will change?

In fact, there is a big interest for Asmodee to keep BGA just like it is.

At first... it works! So why change?

Then, the simple addition of the big titles from the Asmodee catalog makes BGA more valuable for Asmodee, as it is the case for any other game publisher.

So obviously, there is very little to win and a lot to lose to change BGA.

However, yes, there will be changes, like we changed BGA during the past 11 years. We never stopped improving this service, and we won't. Not because we have Asmodee on board, but because this is what we are doing for 11 years and will continue to do it.


Will there be more games Premium? Will the free games remain free?

Each publisher can decide to make their game free or Premium on BGA.

Following the pandemic and the impossibility to play in real life for most of us, some publishers of popular games decided to change their mind and make their games Premium instead of free, a decision we support 100% (ex: Hanabi and Jaipur).

Some more popular games (at least 2) are already planned to go from free to premium in the following weeks/months, for reasons that - like the previous ones- has nothing to do with the BGAsmodee thing.

However, we don't expect the situation to change, as having a game adaptation on BGA for free is really the best way for a publisher to show everyone how good the game is.


Will BGA customer relationships be managed by Asmodee Customer services?

There is nothing common between taking care of physical board games services and the digital, so no, we intend to continue to handle our relationship with you in the BGA team, and by the way, there may be some announcement about a recruitment for this soon :)
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by NCJeff »

Thanks for this. Hoping for all the best for BGA as this goes forward.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by JustAGuyPlayin »

It’s great to see leadership respond to this. There is obviously a lot of anger. And it’s good to see them answer some questions. I rule belief that the site owners believe their choices are in the best interest of the site. I would, however, strongly caution them of appearing so dismissive over everyone who is anxious about the change. I can’t imagine anyone who expressed concerns reading the message above and feeling that leadership was listening to their concerns. Instead it has a very “We know what’s best; get on board or shut up.” vibe to it. Which is absolutely the right of leadership to feel that way. I do have doubts that this style will achieve the goals that I believe this post set out to achieve. Basically, I am calling on everyone from both sides to try to take a more active role in listening to the other side, and avoid becoming entrenched in their position. I sincerely hope that leadership is correct about all of its positive predictions and that this causes the site to be better than ever. Only time will tell. And I hope we are all here, shoulder to shoulder, to try to make that positive future for BGA a reality.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by gtflip »

I understand that you're excited about the deal, and I'm cautiously optimistic that BGA will continue to be something I'm willing to support. I purchased premium recently, so I hope so. :) That said, you seem to be mystified that your users are not all as excited as you. Please try to think about how you would feel if all you had to go on was what you've posted and the history of Asmodee (as people outside the company see it, at least).

The fact that there are no changes to the site is irrelevant to whether or not it should be on the front page. It doesn't have to replace the game news, though -- in fact, I would do it as a simple banner above all that with a link. The number of views doesn't change where people got their information. I found out via Google Discover, which led me to a website that wasn't publishing your press release -- they were reporting it from Reddit.

Also, the news that you have at the end is arguably as news-worthy as the new games: "And finally, what each one of you is thinking about at this point is coming to be true: the really popular board games that have been missing on BGA, published by publishers from the Asmodee group, will become available on BGA in the following months"

"Do we get a benefit from this? Probably not because these games are... free. Maybe a little, because they are attracting players on BGA" Are you serious? Do premium subscribers not play free games? Do all people who join the site immediately sign up for premium? Having more games available to play definitely makes the site more worthy of paying for.

"...the other questions about the volunteers make in fact little sense to us." Maybe you should think about it some more, then. Just because a question doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's a stupid question. We can't read your minds. I haven't seen your agreement with Asmodee, so I don't know exactly what it says (and I'm not a lawyer, anyway, so I probably wouldn't be able to understand all of the subtleties of it). We don't know what Asmodee has planned. Businesses say one thing and do another all the time. All people can do is look at what Asmodee has done in the past and guess.

"In fact, there is a big interest for Asmodee to keep BGA just like it is. At first... it works! So why change?" I've seen so many companies (including one I worked for) where they got bought by another company and everything went away that I completely understand people's skepticism. We had good products that dozens of people had worked for years on. I'm pretty sure all of that work is just gone, especially with all the other mergers the parent company was involved in since. E.g., I used to use a product that worked pretty well for publishing concert dates to multiple websites (ArtistData) -- it got bought by SonicBids and was eventually shut down in favor of the parent company's products, which are about paying to get gigs not publishing your existing shows.

Best wishes
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

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The bit that I don't understand is all the other board game publishers/designers outside of the Asmodee umbrella. As a business will they really think it's OK to give a license for a game to be played on a platform by a rival company? I guess some will, but some larger companies may start shutting the door. Maybe they'll be inclined to specifically give their license to rival platforms and not BGA just as a middle finger. I guess we'll get a good indication of this soon if any games get pulled in the coming weeks.

Equally I don't really understand Asmodee's involvement, why would they want to invest in a platform that helps promote it's rivals titles?

It all sounds very altruistic, not the kind of thing you normally associate with big business decisions, I hope it all pans out OK and my scepticism is ill-founded.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by lunatic4ever »

It just feels off.

If not now, medium term we will see changes here and your control over BGA might be secured legally but you did sell the company, right? So BGA will be funded by Asmodee moving forward and they will only continue to fund it if it contributes to their corporate strategy (whatever that is).
Even if you guys are profitable and have a super nice growth story Asmodee will bring in their ideas at the minimum to realize synergies. I work for big corporate myself and I have never seen the shareholder not bring in their requirements after the acquisition. It usually gets pretty political as well. If it is about growth first (and profitability later) I do wonder what Asmodee's strategy/vision is? Build this out to become the most accessible board gaming platform (ala Steam?). That would require deep pockets and patience, not sure this industry is mature enough for it yet. Also, What's your strategy when people stop volunteering? Hire people and let users pay for it via increased membership fees etc. Perhaps at some point you can share some of your ideas without cloaking them in corporate lingo.

Anyway, thousands of questions. For now, I will continue my monthly sub month by month and pay close attention to the changes. Consider me alarmed but I wish you the best of luck.
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Post by Mondongo »

I am *very* alarmed at this news. This kinda ruins BGA for me. I've supported, I've gifted memberships to friends, and all for the site to end up in the hands of a corporation that has no interest in anything but profit?

They have already destroyed companies like FFG, they have raised prices, and I don't think this is gonna be any different. This is very bad news and spells a terrible 2021 for me. All the joy that BGA meant to me has disappeared.

I'm very happy about the devs getting their well deserved money and recognition but Asmodee is a terrible company and this is terrible news.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by Ben_H2O »

Ultimately it's the personal choice of developers and publishers if they want to give their labour for free but....


"As explained in the previous question, this is not even sure that there is a money benefit for BGA with the volunteer work, as these games are proposed for free."

This comes off as very disingenuous. There is an obvious value in getting users on to your platform even if they only play free games.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by Cheery Dog »

The biggest question that I have seen asked remains unanswered. Why was this deal never talked about with your current stakeholders before it went through.

Yes the BGA team had all the shares, but everyone else that uses this site has a stake in how it should be proceeding.

I personally don't currently have a problem, but community consultation would have put everything on the table before the deal was actually signed, where it should have been. I'd like to see the fine print still.
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Re: FAQ BGA + Asmodee

Post by 3Phen »

sourisdudesert wrote: 13 February 2021, 17:45 Why would the volunteers want to develop for a "big" company?

BGA volunteers did not develop their adaptations "for" BGA, or the company behind BGA, or the owners of BGA. They developed their adaptations for a game publisher or a game designer that need help to make players aware about their games.

As explained in the previous question, this is not even sure that there is a money benefit for BGA with the volunteer work, as these games are proposed for free.
If you don't think the wide variety of free, lesser-known games added tons of value to this site, I don't know what to tell you. This statement actually makes me feel worse about the future of BGA. If you're going to get this defensive about your use of free labor, your success might have gone to your head.
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