Tbh, that's why I turned the send email option off. I don't need to go out of my browser to see results or I see what happens when I go back to my browser...MoiMagnus wrote: ↑29 July 2021, 17:28As I said, for me this setting is purely a QOL setting:ufm wrote: ↑29 July 2021, 12:06 I just checked your game record and ALL of your games in 2021 didn't require 'no time limit' setting at all, regardless of actual timer setting.
Every game was played within 1 move/day rate, which is the usual turn-based time limit.
So your argument is actually a strong evidence of 'no time limit' essentially doing nothing while playing in good faith.
Unless BGA expands Arena mode's 'play your oldest game first' rule for every game (like Yucata), this abuse is bound to happen.
+ It allows for Real Time Game with no time limit. Turn-Based games are very impractical to set up, as as soon as someone accepted to join the table, you can't change the settings anymore. (Plus Turn-based games send emails to everyone, which both can clutter some mailing boxes, and spoil the result of the game by sending an email immediately while the score have yet to be revealed at the end of the game)
+ It removes the timer from the interface
I'm contesting the fact that it is doing nothing positive. I'm not contesting the fact that negative might be greater than the positive.
Though I've just realised that I only care about the "no time limit" of "real time game", which is limited by the same restriction as every "real time game": you can only have one of them active at once (which drastically reduces potential abuses).
Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
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Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
- Seahawks89
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Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
Post by Seahawks89 »
Good idea
There would be less cheater.
The player (Elercant) blocked me because I warned the people who played with him that he found when he lost.
The player (Elercant) blocked me because I warned the people who played with him that he found when he lost.
- dexdouglas
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Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
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I did the same thing. I went into about 60 of his active games and warned people of his actions.
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Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
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We will know when if this suggestion is validated by the moderators?
Thanks
It would be cool if they validated it
Thanks
It would be cool if they validated it
- Jest Phulin
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Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
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There is no "moderator validation" of suggestions, really. The developers take a look at suggestions with the most upvotes in the bug/suggestion section of the site.
It seems like the main complaint raised in this thread is that one or more players are using the feature to boost ELO, by letting the game expire if they are losing. The way to counteract that is to do what was suggested before:
It seems like the main complaint raised in this thread is that one or more players are using the feature to boost ELO, by letting the game expire if they are losing. The way to counteract that is to do what was suggested before:
If you really care about *their* rank, then you should be playing in arena mode.Lotus Blossom wrote: ↑29 July 2021, 01:02 perhaps take the advice and only play it with people you know and trust (i.e. friends)
Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
Better safe than sorry. Why leave a system flawed?Jest Phulin wrote: ↑31 August 2021, 05:59 It seems like the main complaint raised in this thread is that one or more players are using the feature to boost ELO, by letting the game expire if they are losing. The way to counteract that is to do what was suggested before:Lotus Blossom wrote: ↑29 July 2021, 01:02 perhaps take the advice and only play it with people you know and trust (i.e. friends)
Re: Remove "No time limit" option of normal mode
You get penalties for the timer running out, just not Karma loss like for being expelled...ufm wrote: ↑29 July 2021, 01:21 Even with 'friends like to play with ELO on' the setting is worthless to keep.
If all participants were indeed playing so 'friendly' they wouldn't expel each other regardless of time limit, right?
The process is manual, not automatic unlike '40 days of inactivity' abandonment.
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- ↳ Takenoko
- ↳ Four Color Cards
- ↳ Similo
- ↳ Lords of Xidit
- ↳ Pingimus
- ↳ Lost Seas
- ↳ 31
- ↳ Get on Board: New York & London
- ↳ Perudo
- ↳ Potions of Azerland
- ↳ Naishi
- ↳ The Boss
- ↳ Assyria
- ↳ Biomes of Nilgiris
- ↳ Belladone Bluff
- ↳ Shock! Knights & Poisons
- ↳ abalone
- ↳ After Us
- ↳ Scriptoria
- ↳ Cat in the Box: Deluxe Edition
- ↳ Mate
- ↳ Mijnlieff
- ↳ Arctic
- ↳ Mercado de Lisboa
- ↳ Oh-Seven
- ↳ 1000
- ↳ Legions
- ↳ Stupor Mundi
- ↳ Evo: The "Game no Name"
- ↳ Go-Stop
- ↳ Quartz: The Dice Game
- ↳ Festival
- ↳ Pyramido: Forgotten Treasures
- ↳ Pylos
- ↳ Cairo Corridor
- ↳ Giraffe Raffe
- ↳ Dice Theme Park
- ↳ Verso
- ↳ Fruit Picking
- ↳ Panda Rei
- ↳ Tang Hu Lu
- ↳ Botanicus
- ↳ Red7
- ↳ March of the Crab
- ↳ Lady's Choice
- ↳ Ninjan
- ↳ Misty
- ↳ Abra Chadabra
- ↳ VektoRace
- ↳ Lines of Action
- ↳ Sail
- ↳ Cuttle
- ↳ sparts
- ↳ Armadöra
- ↳ Tortuga 1667
- ↳ Gosu X
- ↳ River of Gold
- ↳ Jump Gate
- ↳ Odicey
- ↳ LUZ
- ↳ Samarkand
- ↳ Durak
- ↳ Wizards Cup
- ↳ Art Thief
- ↳ Kokeshi
- ↳ Lumen: The Lost World
- ↳ Go Fish
- ↳ Quetzal
- ↳ Golfie
- ↳ Dédale
- ↳ Resolve
- ↳ Envelopes of Cash
- ↳ Crisps
- ↳ Stalk exchange
- ↳ Sir Ocelot's cave
- ↳ Claim
- ↳ Shifting Stones
- ↳ Quarto
- ↳ Art Decko
- ↳ Age of Civilization
- ↳ Mesos
- ↳ Hidden Leaders
- ↳ Yokai
- ↳ Battle of LITS
- ↳ Conspiracy
- ↳ Dice Hospital: ER – Emergency Roll
- ↳ Let's Catch the Lion!
- ↳ Luxor
- ↳ Forks: 2nd Edition
- ↳ Color Pop
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Qu4to
- ↳ Cephalopod
- ↳ Tablut
- ↳ 12 Chip Trick
- ↳ Cucumber
- ↳ German Whist
- ↳ Shogun
- ↳ Oriflamme
- ↳ Bower
- ↳ Verona Twist
- ↳ Balloon Pop!
- ↳ None Shall Pass!
- ↳ District Noir
- ↳ It's a Wonderful Kingdom
- ↳ Refuge
- ↳ Seikatsu
- ↳ Applejack
- ↳ The Itty Bitty Card Game
- ↳ Treos
- ↳ Kulami
- ↳ Happy City
- ↳ Paper World
- ↳ Coin Age
- ↳ Roll Into Town
- ↳ The Hanging Gardens
- ↳ Dungeon Rummy
- ↳ Road to 300
- ↳ Circle of Life
- ↳ Kingscraft
- ↳ Caper: Europe
- ↳ President
- ↳ Gomoku
- ↳ GoldnCrash
- ↳ Takara Island
- ↳ Sherlock 13
- ↳ Choconnect
- ↳ Mapmaker: The Gerrymandering Game
- ↳ The Jelly Monster Lab
- ↳ Tiwanaku
- ↳ China Gold
- ↳ Ginkgopolis
- ↳ Mythicals the boardgame
- ↳ Seotda
- ↳ Dragon Castle
- ↳ Bug
- ↳ Bunny Drops
- ↳ Sfynx
- ↳ Classified Information
- ↳ Little Factory
- ↳ Metro
- ↳ Thurn and Taxis
- ↳ Cake Master
- ↳ Sneferu: Builders of the Pyramids
- ↳ Pocket Cats
- ↳ Orion Duel
- ↳ Propuh
- ↳ Piratas!
- ↳ Streetcar
- ↳ Mind Up!
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Diamonds
- ↳ The Last
- ↳ Con Sonar!
- ↳ Love Links
- ↳ Caravan
- ↳ Moon River
- ↳ Jekyll vs. Hyde
- ↳ Sergeant Major
- ↳ ECK
- ↳ Battlegammon
- ↳ Via Magica
- ↳ Newton
- ↳ EKONOS
- ↳ Mexica
- ↳ 42
- ↳ Cosmos: Empires
- ↳ Architects of Amytis
- ↳ Tiny Turbo Cars
- ↳ Ekko
- ↳ Kami
- ↳ Karvi
- ↳ Crazy Farmers
- ↳ Masters of Renaissance: Lorenzo il Magnifico – The Card Game
- ↳ Siam
- ↳ Aniversus
- ↳ Kabaleo
- ↳ Qamgo
- ↳ Hex
- ↳ Nibble
- ↳ Medina
- ↳ Room 25
- ↳ Duck & Cover
- ↳ Simplicity
- ↳ Buttons
- ↳ Big Two
- ↳ Kahuna
- ↳ Hadara
- ↳ Ynaros Fallin
- ↳ Skate Legend
- ↳ Finca
- ↳ Calypso
- ↳ Bacon
- ↳ Age of Champagne
- ↳ Tulip & Rose
- ↳ L'Oracle B.A-BET
- ↳ Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe
- ↳ Battle Spirits Saga
- ↳ Veletas
- ↳ GOLDblivion
- ↳ Zola
- ↳ Quirky Quarks
- ↳ 99 (trick-taking card game)
- ↳ Elfenland
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ High Season
- ↳ Flaming Pyramids
- ↳ Oxono
- ↳ Equinox
- ↳ Connect6
- ↳ Sahwari
- ↳ Dicy Cards
- ↳ Geek Out! Masters
- ↳ The Gnomes of Zavandor
- ↳ Forever Home
- ↳ Neom
- ↳ SetUp
- ↳ Steam Works
- ↳ On Tour
- ↳ Spring Cleaning
- ↳ Ice and the Sky
- ↳ Zefiria
- ↳ Konane
- ↳ Homesteaders
- ↳ The King's Guild
- ↳ 3000 Scoundrels
- ↳ Florenza: The Card Game
- ↳ Thermopyles
- ↳ The Fox in the Forest: Duet
- ↳ Power Vacuum
- ↳ Vault A Den of Thieves
- ↳ Coal Baron
- ↳ Unrest
- ↳ Okanagan: Valley of the Lakes
- ↳ Nacho Pile
- ↳ Hack Trick
- ↳ Sobek
- ↳ Yaniv
- ↳ Almadi
- ↳ Romi Rami
- ↳ Forage
- ↳ Batalla de Coronas
- ↳ Solar Storm
- ↳ Loco Momo
- ↳ Cardiceo
- ↳ GrumbleStone
- ↳ Trike
- ↳ Legendary Inventors
- ↳ Koryŏ
- ↳ That's Life!
- ↳ Lielow
- ↳ Dark Agent
- ↳ Flowers: A Mandala Game
- ↳ Solo Whist
- ↳ Copenhagen
- ↳ HUND
- ↳ Flip Freighters
- ↳ Sapiens
- ↳ Boreal
- ↳ Eminent Domain: Microcosm
- ↳ Maps of Misterra
- ↳ Micro Midgard
- ↳ All In
- ↳ OASIS New Hope
- ↳ Castles of Caleira
- ↳ Goblin Hood
- ↳ For the King (and Me)
- ↳ Starship Merchants
- ↳ Evergreen
- ↳ Boomerang: Australia
- ↳ Once Upon A Forest
- ↳ Megalomania
- ↳ Caribbean All Fours
- ↳ Cradle to Grave
- ↳ Le Roy des Ribauds
- ↳ Palace
- ↳ Dice Summoners
- ↳ Divercité
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ Yokai Septet
- ↳ Astra
- ↳ Insert
- ↳ Niagara
- ↳ gaia
- ↳ Number Drop
- ↳ Rest In Peace
- ↳ Vidrasso
- ↳ The Ruhr: A Story of Coal Trade
- ↳ United Square
- ↳ Noir: Killer versus Inspector
- ↳ Diced Tomatoes
- ↳ The Builders: Antiquity
- ↳ Meridians
- ↳ Barbu
- ↳ Dinosaur Tea Party
- ↳ Origin
- ↳ Exit Strategy
- ↳ Boss Quest
- ↳ Expedition: Northwest Passage
- ↳ Through the Ages
- ↳ 24/7: The Game
- ↳ Whist 22
- ↳ Gift of Tulips
- ↳ Volfyirion Guilds
- ↳ Zuuli
- ↳ FIKA
- ↳ Don't Go In There
- ↳ Humanity
- ↳ Neutreeko
- ↳ Hawaii
- ↳ Xanadu
- ↳ Murus Gallicus
- ↳ Colorado
- ↳ Secret Moon
- ↳ Diablo
- ↳ Nain Jaune
- ↳ HUGO
- ↳ Robots Ate Our Pizza
- ↳ I'm The Boss
- ↳ Empire Plateau: The Lateral Thinking Tactical Strategy Wargame
- ↳ Micro Dojo
- ↳ Ghost At Home
- ↳ Rift Valley Reserve
- ↳ Legend Raiders
- ↳ Betta
- ↳ Streets
- ↳ cucco
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Mia
- ↳ Crime Zoom: A Dirty Objective
- ↳ Oust
- ↳ Line It
- ↳ Crypt
- ↳ Silo
- ↳ Knockout Whist
- ↳ Legends of Hellas
- ↳ Las Vegan
- ↳ Raubbau
- ↳ Tucano
- ↳ Lifeline
- ↳ Rive
- ↳ Sensei
- ↳ Hungarian Tarokk
- ↳ Impasse
- ↳ Drones vs Seagulls
- ↳ Stir Fry Eighteen
- ↳ Trusis
- ↳ Gosu
- ↳ Look at the Stars
- ↳ Schrödinger's Cats
- ↳ Cubosaurs
- ↳ Canosa
- ↳ Hydroracers
- ↳ Yin Yang
- ↳ Fairy Trails
- ↳ Veggie Garden
- ↳ mow
- ↳ 8 Masters' Revenge
- ↳ Noah
- ↳ Amyitis
- ↳ Injawara
- ↳ Regidice
- ↳ Factum
- ↳ Kingdoms
- ↳ Baby Dinosaur Rescue
- ↳ Vege Tables
- ↳ Egocentric World
- ↳ EpiZodiak
- ↳ Blue Skies
- ↳ Fai-fo
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Senshi
- ↳ Big Monster
- ↳ Small Islands
- ↳ Lineae
- ↳ Mascarade
- ↳ Dragon Keeper: The Dungeon
- ↳ Icebreaker
- ↳ Yspahan
- ↳ Iwari
- ↳ Nicodemus
- ↳ Eruption
- ↳ Troyes Dice
- ↳ Morocco
- ↳ SteamRollers
- ↳ Blaze
- ↳ Exploration: Warzone
- ↳ Tea Time
- ↳ Zener
- ↳ Penalty Challenge
- ↳ EVL
- ↳ Lost Explorers
- ↳ Herrlof
- ↳ Turn the tide
- ↳ Off the Rails
- ↳ Krosmaster Blast
- ↳ Grand Bazaar
- ↳ Grosstarock
- ↳ Trick of the Rails
- ↳ Rolled West
- ↳ NXS
- ↳ Hoarders
- ↳ Saint Poker
- ↳ Bombay
- ↳ Nautilus
- ↳ Cinco
- ↳ Gopher
- ↳ The Void
- ↳ Metromania
- ↳ Guildes
- ↳ KQJ
- ↳ Phat
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Quantik
- ↳ Mammalath
- ↳ Uncle Chestnut's Table Gype
- ↳ ToeShamBo
- ↳ Biyi
- ↳ Nanga Parbat
- ↳ Diam's
- ↳ Coup
- ↳ Gear & Piston
- ↳ GORami
- ↳ Dragon Line
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ Tiki
- ↳ Gygès
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ 15 Days
- ↳ 15 Jours en France
- ↳ 216
- ↳ 5Pairs
- ↳ A Fistful of Gold
- ↳ APEX
- ↳ AVES
- ↳ Abroad
- ↳ Alakablast
- ↳ All You Can Eat Buffet
- ↳ Amazonas
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ Arabella
- ↳ Archipels
- ↳ Arctica
- ↳ Atrah
- ↳ Auntie Mildred's list of random tasks
- ↳ Aurum
- ↳ Azul: Stained Glass of Sintra
- ↳ Bamboozle
- ↳ Battleships Pencil & Paper
- ↳ Bauer
- ↳ Bebop
- ↳ Bids
- ↳ Black Narrows
- ↳ Blast Radius
- ↳ Block Arena
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Blot
- ↳ Breadcrumbs
- ↳ Bug Off
- ↳ Bunny Boom
- ↳ Bus
- ↳ Bye-Bye Black Sheep
- ↳ CATsle Builder
- ↳ Cannonades
- ↳ Capybara'n'Capyabara
- ↳ Carcassonne
- ↳ Cassino
- ↳ Catopomp
- ↳ Chandigarh
- ↳ Cheez-Tricks
- ↳ Chicken!
- ↳ Churn
- ↳ Circadia
- ↳ Circle Of Life: on the Savannah
- ↳ Civolution
- ↳ Class of 89'
- ↳ Coins
- ↳ Coloretto
- ↳ Confusing Lands
- ↳ Cookie battle
- ↳ Crash
- ↳ Crits & Tricks
- ↳ Custodian Dice
- ↳ Dale of Merchants
- ↳ Dance of Muses
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deliverance
- ↳ Deluxe Camping
- ↳ Detective Poker
- ↳ Dickory
- ↳ Digging For Dinos
- ↳ Dobro
- ↳ Draft Cider
- ↳ Dragon Keeper, The Dungeon
- ↳ Dragonarium
- ↳ Déjà Vu
- ↳ Edgecut
- ↳ Electrify
- ↳ Enemy Anemone
- ↳ Eriantys
- ↳ Expeditions
- ↳ Expressions
- ↳ Falconry
- ↳ Fall of Lumen
- ↳ Fantasy Tiles
- ↳ Festi’vibes
- ↳ Fibonachos
- ↳ Fight the Landlord
- ↳ Finity
- ↳ Five Three Five
- ↳ Flipwars
- ↳ Flume
- ↳ For-Ex
- ↳ Forest Shuffle : Smoky Mountains
- ↳ Forfort
- ↳ Four Gardens
- ↳ Fox on the Tree
- ↳ Friendly Fishing
- ↳ Fugu
- ↳ GIPF
- ↳ Game of Trains
- ↳ Garden Geckos
- ↳ Garden Nation
- ↳ Gems of Iridescia
- ↳ Get on Board: Paris & Roma
- ↳ Get the MacGuffin
- ↳ Go_sandboxversion
- ↳ Golden Goal
- ↳ Golems
- ↳ Good Fortune
- ↳ Greasy Spoon
- ↳ Group
- ↳ Grund
- ↳ Guile
- ↳ Gyges
- ↳ Hadron
- ↳ Hawaiian Hanafuda
- ↳ Heckin Hounds
- ↳ Herooj
- ↳ Hey! That's my fish
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Hội Phố (Second Edition)
- ↳ Inkwell
- ↳ Invector
- ↳ Isaac
- ↳ Isle of Bears
- ↳ Journey Horizon
- ↳ Kaiser
- ↳ Kani Nari Ebi
- ↳ Kelp
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Kinapa
- ↳ King of the Dice
- ↳ Kmakici Family's greatest teatime
- ↳ Knister
- ↳ Kraken Up
- ↳ Lata
- ↳ Les toits de Paris
- ↳ Lewis & Clark
- ↳ Libertalia: Winds of Galecrest
- ↳ Linkx
- ↳ Livingstone
- ↳ Logger
- ↳ Lunar
- ↳ Maatatahay
- ↳ Malabares
- ↳ Mango
- ↳ Maquis
- ↳ Mattock
- ↳ Meadow
- ↳ Metz
- ↳ Microlonies
- ↳ Mighty
- ↳ Minefield
- ↳ Minhwatu
- ↳ Mod Ten
- ↳ Monster Factory
- ↳ Monster Hex
- ↳ Monster Smash
- ↳ Moolight: The Land of the Wolves
- ↳ Mutant Crops
- ↳ Nap
- ↳ Narabi
- ↳ Neon Reign
- ↳ Next Station: Berlin
- ↳ Nice to Know! Animals
- ↳ Nylon-ppong
- ↳ ONE
- ↳ Odysseus
- ↳ Odéon
- ↳ Olenon
- ↳ Onda
- ↳ Open Season
- ↳ POP!
- ↳ Paikō
- ↳ Paladins of the West Kingdom
- ↳ Palourde
- ↳ Panda Panda
- ↳ Park Life
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Persona Non Grata
- ↳ Pescado Novo
- ↳ Petals
- ↳ Piepmatz
- ↳ Pier 18
- ↳ PiliPiliExtraSpicy
- ↳ Pioneer Rails
- ↳ Pirates Under Fire
- ↳ Point City
- ↳ Pook
- ↳ Positano
- ↳ Puerto Rico
- ↳ Quest Inc.
- ↳ Quiltable
- ↳ Quinque
- ↳ Quintus
- ↳ Quorum
- ↳ RIVALS
- ↳ RabbitZ & Robots
- ↳ Race for the Galaxy
- ↳ Redstone
- ↳ Relative Space
- ↳ Road Master
- ↳ Room and Pillar
- ↳ Roppyakken
- ↳ Rowdy Partners
- ↳ Rumble Planet
- ↳ Safari Witness
- ↳ Savanna Ten
- ↳ Schadenfreude
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Scream Park
- ↳ Sea Shells
- ↳ Seven Knights Bewitched
- ↳ Sheep Boom Bah
- ↳ Skirmish: Battle for Draconia
- ↳ Sky Totems
- ↳ Skybirds
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Soulaween
- ↳ Speculaas
- ↳ Spellcrafter
- ↳ Splitter
- ↳ Squadro
- ↳ Stigméria
- ↳ Stonks
- ↳ Strategic Reserve
- ↳ Strawberry Sunset
- ↳ Sunfield Farm
- ↳ Sunrise Sunset
- ↳ Suspeição
- ↳ Take Time
- ↳ Tamago Dorobou
- ↳ Tangram City
- ↳ Tannhäuser
- ↳ Tapas
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ The Great American Fox Hunt
- ↳ The Great Split
- ↳ The Happiest Cat in the World
- ↳ The King of the Woods
- ↳ The Little Flower Shop
- ↳ The Nine Domains
- ↳ The Oracle of Delphi
- ↳ The White Castle Duel
- ↳ Tholos
- ↳ Thrive
- ↳ Tien Len
- ↳ Time Splicers
- ↳ Tiny Farms
- ↳ Toepen
- ↳ Tokaido Duo
- ↳ Tomatoss
- ↳ TriATri
- ↳ Trick-n-Chef
- ↳ Trickarus
- ↳ Troggu
- ↳ Tsukimi
- ↳ Twin Palms
- ↳ Two-Ten-Jack
- ↳ Ultimatch
- ↳ Unane
- ↳ Up or Down?
- ↳ Vegetable Stock
- ↳ Verdant Arizona
- ↳ Via Gladiola
- ↳ Vivo
- ↳ Vizia
- ↳ Voyages
- ↳ Waddle
- ↳ Wana
- ↳ Whist
- ↳ Widgets n' Digit$
- ↳ Wild Space
- ↳ Word Traveler
- ↳ Xxung
- ↳ Yoxii
- ↳ Zookeepers
- ↳ a_way
- ↳ niwashi
- ↳ Àiyé
- ↳ Écarté