Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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Tisaac
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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frogstar_A wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:10
Tisaac wrote: 12 October 2021, 08:18
frogstar_A wrote: 11 October 2021, 22:54

To me the biggest remaining flaw in the otherwise very enjoyable arena format is the fact that you can end up winning again and getting zero points for it. It just seems silly that the matchmaking algorithm matches you in a match in which you have absolutely nothing to gain and only things to lose.

That’s not really very fun!
And then some players complain when they have to wait a long time to get an opponent of close enough league.... No good solution here.
No the solution is you always get minimum 1 shield for a win no matter what league the opponent. No waiting, no pointless games either
Why would you still win a shield if you beat a way weaker opponent ? Does not seems a good solution either to me.
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frogstar_A wrote: 11 October 2021, 22:54 To me the biggest remaining flaw in the otherwise very enjoyable arena format is the fact that you can end up winning again and getting zero points for it. It just seems silly that the matchmaking algorithm matches you in a match in which you have absolutely nothing to gain and only things to lose.

That’s not really very fun!
Even with more repetitions, it still isnt true that you win nothing. Your EAS still changes, it just is hidden as long as you dont reach elite. I‘d agree that it always should be displayed together with the tier shields.
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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Tisaac wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:12
frogstar_A wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:10
Tisaac wrote: 12 October 2021, 08:18
And then some players complain when they have to wait a long time to get an opponent of close enough league.... No good solution here.
No the solution is you always get minimum 1 shield for a win no matter what league the opponent. No waiting, no pointless games either
Why would you still win a shield if you beat a way weaker opponent ? Does not seems a good solution either to me.
You get ELO points and AES points - why not 1 shield too?
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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frogstar_A wrote: 14 October 2021, 00:34
Tisaac wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:12
frogstar_A wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:10

No the solution is you always get minimum 1 shield for a win no matter what league the opponent. No waiting, no pointless games either
Why would you still win a shield if you beat a way weaker opponent ? Does not seems a good solution either to me.
You get ELO points and AES points - why not 1 shield too?
Because you could reach elite even if you are not that good at the game. Elo and Eas would give you close to 0 bonus when you win over a very weak opponent, so the good thing should be to gain fractional part of shield to make it fair, but probably not good in term or UI/UX.
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I think it is fine to get no reward for winning against a weak opponent. Just the game with luck factor is a bit stupid to call it a weak player. Because maybe you had much luck in prev games and then a game without any luck..

And to call it a weak player is also weird: because not everyone play arena much
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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Tisaac wrote: 14 October 2021, 06:24
frogstar_A wrote: 14 October 2021, 00:34
Tisaac wrote: 12 October 2021, 23:12

Why would you still win a shield if you beat a way weaker opponent ? Does not seems a good solution either to me.
You get ELO points and AES points - why not 1 shield too?
Because you could reach elite even if you are not that good at the game. Elo and Eas would give you close to 0 bonus when you win over a very weak opponent, so the good thing should be to gain fractional part of shield to make it fair, but probably not good in term or UI/UX.
So if a fraction of a shield doesn’t work why not round up to 1 instead of down to 0?

It’s just depressing to be matched against someone from a league where it I win I get nothing and it I lose I lose 5 shields. That’s no fun at all. So instead I change the settings so I’m not matched against lower leagues and now it’s harder for eveyone to get a game.

Even a 400 ELO person beating a 100 ELO gets a few points, yet if a Platinum player beats a Bronze player they get nothing. Silly!
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You write, "Congratulations to all of the winners of Season 6!" Where were the winners posted? I've never seen the list.
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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Ze Monstah wrote: 07 October 2021, 11:07
Zothi wrote: 05 October 2021, 17:19
sourisdudesert wrote: 05 October 2021, 15:42 [...] in the Arena you cannot choose your opponents.
This is not true as long as you can give red thumbs to people and exclude them from your Arena matches. This should be fixed as I suggested here.
Unless a player Red Thumbs every Arena Player in a game, except 2 or 3 friends, in order to be set up only with those 2 or 3 (a thing I personally find hard to realise), red thumbs should be respected.

As you put it: if player A hates player B (B having A red thumbed) and are set together in a 5 players arena game... if A's goal is to make B's life hell in every single Arena game (game-wise), how is your "Arena RT ignorance" helping B?
You can make someone's life hell in Arena games, without chatbox, also.

If you go RT ignorance, you must also go INCOGNITO (no names shown until the end) !!!!!!!
And I am not sure BGA has the possibility or wish, to realise this.

I think Red Thumbs should be respected anywhere on BGA, sorry.

It's not fair to disrespect them, just 'cause it happens that you are given some RTs for various reasons, and can't play Arena with those people, in order to feed your Arena Ego.

Someone doesn't like you, accept BGA rules and being Red Thumbed (again, for various reasons), and move on with this selfish nonsense.
I'm sorry, but I don't use this forum often and I only see this message now. I'll try to answer briefly.

I know for sure of at least one player (who has even won a popular Arena season) who does this regularly in order to exclude every player he's not comfortable playing with. He gives people red thumbs if they use a strategy that makes him lose.

So yeah, you've totally missed the point, and what I said is quite urgent.
We cannot have a "competitive mode" that allows people to choose their opponents legally.
Honestly, I don't care if BGA will come up with an incognito mode, or whatever else.
We just deserve an Arena mode where players have no way to cheat the system and dodge opponents.
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Re: Season 7: New Season & New Features!

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Ze Monstah wrote: 08 October 2021, 20:05
paulnewmanseyes wrote: 07 October 2021, 21:33 The Guru system has a real flaw in promoting the interests of those who play head-to-head games. If you exclusively play duels on BGA, you'll have a vastly higher number of finished games compared to other players, and be far more likely to become a Guru, where you can then vote for all your favourite games to be set to 2-player mode for the arena.

That's resulted in the Arena being two player for (at least): Russian Railroads, Race for the Galaxy, Through the Ages, Puerto Rico, and Stone Age. None of these games are particularly designed for 2p play, and some of them actively suffer for it. There has to be a better way!
Maybe they will revert back to 3p in Puerto Rico, when they see all the negative comments.
Fully agree - Puerto Rico with 2 players is not a good option...
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