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This post was not made to discuss the elo system, this is getting off topic.

I'd suggest you move to one of the existing elo discussion posts if you want to continue this conversation, or start a new post of your own.

Tuut Tuut tis Luut wrote: ↑23 September 2024, 04:04 But it only counts as a "win" after completing at least 1 mission successfully that session. You don't get a wins or elo points if you restart every failed attempt as well.

In fact, BGA co-op and solitaire games consider positive scores wins and 0 or negatives losses.
However, BGA The Crews scoring system assigns all games 1 point at the end screen regardless of the actual result.
Thus, in BGA The Crews, you get wins and ratings from immediate loss and quit as well, like the link I posted:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=565330247

ufm wrote: ↑23 September 2024, 07:44

Tuut Tuut tis Luut wrote: ↑23 September 2024, 04:04 But it only counts as a "win" after completing at least 1 mission successfully that session. You don't get a wins or elo points if you restart every failed attempt as well.

In fact, BGA co-op and solitaire games consider positive scores wins and 0 or negatives losses.
However, BGA The Crews scoring system assigns all games 1 point at the end screen regardless of the actual result.
Thus, in BGA The Crews, you get wins and ratings from immediate loss and quit as well, like the link I posted:
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=565330247

Huh, tried it myself and I stand corrected.
Been very certain yet very wrong for a long time then, unless it was changed at some point.

However, your example link isn't much of a proof, it's training mode for starters, so no elo involved anyways. And the point you seem to refer to is the star, which signifies in game points. That's not the same as getting a win, let alone gaining elo.

Tuut Tuut tis Luut wrote: ↑24 September 2024, 02:06 Huh, tried it myself and I stand corrected.
Been very certain and very long for a long time then, unless it was changed at some point.

It's been like this since the beginning.

Tuut Tuut tis Luut wrote: ↑24 September 2024, 02:06 However, your example link isn't much of a proof, it's training mode for starters, so no elo involved anyways. And the point you seem to refer to is the star, which signifies in game points. That's not the same as getting a win, let alone gaining elo.

I intentionally chose training mode to not get rating and trophies from this.
Changing the game mode to the normal mode does not change any in-game elements.
Go ahead and try this in normal mode with someone else, then check the number of victories and rating value.

YMMV, but the number of moderation reports and bug reports says otherwise.
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The sample size of those submitting bug reports and moderation reports is very limited. To find what the general population wants, you’d need to sample those players not in the forum. Regardless, I agree that a continuous rising of ELO statistically does not engage the player. There needs to be rewards and losses. And yes, the dopamine hit is increased for a “win” but it needs to feel authentic.

Jessi Jaymes wrote: ↑18 October 2024, 03:24

ufm wrote: ↑21 September 2024, 18:09 YMMV, but the number of moderation reports and bug reports says otherwise.

The sample size of those submitting bug reports and moderation reports is very limited. To find what the general population wants, you’d need to sample those players not in the forum. Regardless, I agree that a continuous rising of ELO statistically does not engage the player. There needs to be rewards and losses. And yes, the dopamine hit is increased for a “win” but it needs to feel authentic.

Actually this tendency was the same in everywhere, including the forum. For example:
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18362
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20672
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20792
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21108
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22059
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36121
Artificial ELO simulation in co-op is now deprecated. Developers don't adopt artificial ELO anymore.
Among all co-ops on BGA, only 2 games are still using it, and all games got rid of it haven't received complaints related to rating since then.

I don't want to derail the thread further.
If you want to suggest a new rating system for The Crew, please use this post: https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19261

It would of be nice if XP is different for different mission. For example, finishing mission 40 would earn more XP than finishing mission 1. If playing multiple missions in one game, XP should be accumulated.

Unlikely to happen though, since seemingly the platform doesn't allow that. AFAIK a game developer has no way to steer XPs. All they can do is defining when a 'game' ends. That is tricky with campaign type games.

richyfourtytwo wrote: ↑03 January 2025, 21:45 Unlikely to happen though, since seemingly the platform doesn't allow that. AFAIK a game developer has no way to steer XPs. All they can do is defining when a 'game' ends. That is tricky with campaign type games.

It IS possible in solos/co-ops (assuming 'XPs' in the youknowwho's post meant 'rating' instead).
Check campaign games I implemented: https://boardgamearena.com/gamelist?mechanismTag=231

Well, if people mention XP in a thread about XP I assume they talk about XP.

That doesn't mean I couldn't be wrong though.