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h_illes
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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FrankJones wrote: 19 November 2025, 17:56 I think the examples I gave are better examples than this example. How is a site that has 4 games analogous to what BGA offers?

I realize we cannot name other sites, but we are allowed to write "[other gaming site]". To my knowledge, BGA is the only website structured as it is, with 1000-1500 different games and all the various features. Many of the people here work for free as volunteers, which to me indicates a site where the people involved DO care about the players. I listed the examples I listed because I could not think of any analogous websites to BGA to make a comparison.
Well, the site I mentioned offers 3 of my favorite games. To me that's a big win. (Also let me note that it offers more than 4 games, it's just that the other games seemed to have so few regulars that it's pretty hard to find a game - much like here on BGA with some of the less popular games.)

It wasn't clear if you were looking for a site similar in size or similar in theme. There exist sites that are both, but once again, I cannot mention specific names, and I am also not familiar with any outside BGA, so I can't tell about user experience there.
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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Which brings us full circle to my original point in my lengthy post:

From my vantage point, when evaluating what BGA offers for the low price it charges, I see a website that very much cares about the user experience and the satisfaction of its members.

I understand that some people feel differently, but I don't understand their reasoning.
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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I agree that BGA offers a good value for money deal. It's one of the reasons I still have premium, in spite of some of the issues I have with decisions that have been made. Others have revoked their premium membership on the basis that those decisions make the value proposition no longer good enough.

Honestly, I make most of my decisions on the basis of the value proposition and often ignore less than ideal customer service. I've had plenty of instances where a company has delivered less than ideal service. I complain, and I tell them what I would expect instead (which is often better communication) but I honestly doubt many of my complaints are actually acted on in any way, and the frustrations I experience are still happening to others, and may impact me again at some point. If I get tired enough of the customer service issues, I will look into other providers (where a service is necessary and alternatives exist) or discontinue my association. Value for money and a good customer experience are two different elements that both inform my decisions to continue with particular services. The former has a bit more weight with me, but if the latter is bad enough, then a company doesn't get my money.

I've seen some evidence that BGA cares about what it's customers want, with some long-requested changes to tournaments being among recent positive changes. But I've seen a lot of things that people either don't want or actively dislike. In both cases, I've seen minimal explanation around either. Release notes exist, but sometimes don't address things that have been added or removed from the site. Many changes are just randomly "discovered" by a user and commented on in the forums, often with wonderings about how things actually work. That's not good communication. That's not wanting your customers to feel heard - it's nice that they put some features in, but it'd be nicer if they were clear about what they'd done (and conversely, what they may not have done as part of a change) so we don't have to guess.

I've seen some amazing volunteer developers in this community, and some less so. I mean, some have moved on, as is their right, but that tends to leave unaddressed bugs in a game, which doesn't make the players feel very good, even though a volunteer has no responsibility to maintain a game forever (but such is the nature of volunteers). The volunteers here are great, but they're not the ones making decisions beyond for their particular games (and even quite limited decisions there).

So while I don't wholly agree with this thread, I do think there's a lot of room for improvement on the part of admin to communicate clearly what they're doing and why, and acknowledge some of the wider concerns. But communicating is work and takes a good amount of effort. They could choose to just stop engaging altogether if they feel it's too hard to have a discussion with their users. Lots of companies do this, possibly because they feel the effort to communicate isn't worth their time. In some ways I get that - many users just want what they want, and aren't very open to discussion either. But personally, I'd rather have the discussion, or at least know why decisions are being made (where possible).
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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nik592 wrote: 19 November 2025, 23:56 But communicating is work and takes a good amount of effort. They could choose to just stop engaging altogether if they feel it's too hard to have a discussion with their users.
They recently hired someone for this, which means they are willing to spend some effort. We best point him to your detailed comment (again, I hope you don't mind).
BalGAmor wrote: 06 October 2025, 13:28 More than keeping players happy as you said, part of my job is to make sure your voice is heard.
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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There' s no doubt BGA has good value and a massive selection of games. That has nothing to do with the topic.

I'll do a quick hit and run on some of the other issues.
1. Assumptions. Why do you think this is the only account I've ever had?
2. Once again, value has nothing to do with service.
3. The dude who created the extension (but only for his favorite browser) - As others mentioned, the posted response was, if not 100% negative, pretty close. And he ignores the 10:1 rule, which, as a developer, he knows very well. And it's quite a fallacy to suggest that everyone who doesn't complain thinks it fantastic! Not to mention that he does, or at least has the possibility to, make money off his extension.
4. I will continue to support BGA for it's value, while at the same time, continue to criticize them for their atrocious customer service.
5. if anyone actually affiliated with BGA responded to this thread, I didn't notice. Which pretty much proves my point.
6. Legacy games, specifically - a company with real customer service would say, that's a valid point, is there a reasonable way we can fix that?
7. It would be nice if BGA would either let me return to my original user name or give a reasonable reason why it is "unavailable", but then ... see the thread title.
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Re: Will BGA ever care about its customers?

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__X__ wrote: 27 December 2025, 18:22 1. Assumptions. Why do you think this is the only account I've ever had?
The math doesn’t really change unless your prior account played games at a significantly slower rate. Whether it’s 12k games in 3 years or 24k games in 6 years, it doesn’t really change.
__X__ wrote: 27 December 2025, 18:22 5. if anyone actually affiliated with BGA responded to this thread, I didn't notice. Which pretty much proves my point.
So is your point that you weren’t paying attention? Because a) the policy you are complaining about (inactive tables getting removed after 40 days of inactivity) has been in the FAQ since at least 2020 (per the Wayback archive), and b) somebody from BGA did reply to this thread.
__X__ wrote: 27 December 2025, 18:22 6. Legacy games, specifically - a company with real customer service would say, that's a valid point, is there a reasonable way we can fix that?
What is a legacy game? And what needs fixing here?
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