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Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 28 July 2025, 22:14
by chromoscope
In this topic, there have already been calls to write something new and not to repeat the same thoughts. What is needed is not a repetition of the same thing, about which 9 pages have been written, but a joint search for a solution. With all due respect. I proposed specific new ideas. An argument for the sake of an argument was not implied. My suggestions and comments could have been ignored. The ideas could have been useful later or developed by someone else into more effective schemes.
I mistakenly called any game an Arena. We are talking about playing at least in the "Play" mode. I initially proposed dividing the two versions of the game: with and without blocking. After all, it is obvious that there is demand for both options. Think about how to satisfy the needs of each side, and not crush and persuade the other. It is obvious that new players will come and the issue will be raised again and again. Adding blocking to the rules of the game is also a good solution! For some reason, this simple and obvious idea has not been voiced until now.
And I still remain of the opinion that aggressive vindictive blocking violates the atmosphere and rules of the site. For some reason this issue has not been discussed in depth. Perhaps it is worth adding such a reason when evaluating a player.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 28 July 2025, 22:26
by Strode
chromoscope wrote: ↑28 July 2025, 22:14
In this topic, there have already been calls to write something new and not to repeat the same thoughts. What is needed is not a repetition of the same thing, about which 9 pages have been written, but a joint search for a solution. With all due respect. I proposed specific new ideas. An argument for the sake of an argument was not implied. My suggestions and comments could have been ignored. The ideas could have been useful later or developed by someone else into more effective schemes.
The argument against this is it adds more programming work. TtR isn't the only game wither this sort of dispute (see Azul, Carcassonne). Plus, you'd have to clearly define 'blocking'. If blocking you benefits me in any way, does that count as 'vindictive'?
Someone pointed out how, at some publisher's site, just having a note "no blocking" on a game invitation helps. No way to enforce it, but maybe it does help. I don't know how easy that would be to program, to have a notes field for every created game. And I don't know whether BGAers would abide it anyway.
And I still remain of the opinion that aggressive vindictive blocking violates the atmosphere and rules of the site. For some reason this issue has not been discussed in depth. Perhaps it is worth adding such a reason when evaluating a player.
And with this, you undercut what you wrote above. Now we go back to the same old argument over whether aggressive play is poor sportsmanship.
You want a discussion about your idea and not a re-hash, then you shouldn't post stuff like this. You're just asking for a re-hash.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 29 July 2025, 02:16
by Ceaseless
chromoscope wrote: ↑28 July 2025, 22:09
LoinduFroid wrote: ↑27 July 2025, 15:34
I'll clarify a little, by my “friendly mode” you need to understand the game only with your friends in your own sandbox under your own rules.
Also, please clarify whether points are awarded in "friendly mode"? In friendly mode, people are too lazy to create games. This is not a popular direction.
BGA's friendly mode does not award points. In fact, that is one of the purposes of friendly mode to begin with.
chromoscope wrote: ↑28 July 2025, 22:14
In this topic, there have already been calls to write something new and not to repeat the same thoughts. What is needed is not a repetition of the same thing, about which 9 pages have been written, but a joint search for a solution. With all due respect. I proposed specific new ideas. An argument for the sake of an argument was not implied. My suggestions and comments could have been ignored. The ideas could have been useful later or developed by someone else into more effective schemes.
I mistakenly called any game an Arena. We are talking about playing at least in the "Play" mode. I initially proposed dividing the two versions of the game: with and without blocking. After all, it is obvious that there is demand for both options. Think about how to satisfy the needs of each side, and not crush and persuade the other. It is obvious that new players will come and the issue will be raised again and again. Adding blocking to the rules of the game is also a good solution! For some reason, this simple and obvious idea has not been voiced until now.
And I still remain of the opinion that aggressive vindictive blocking violates the atmosphere and rules of the site. For some reason this issue has not been discussed in depth. Perhaps it is worth adding such a reason when evaluating a player.
BGA has implemented Ticket to Ride by the rules of the game. Since the cheating aspect was previously covered, there's not a lot more to say. Anti-blocking has a well-earned ill reputation that if anything will only get worse with time.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 29 July 2025, 20:07
by Loin du Froid
chromoscope wrote: ↑28 July 2025, 22:09
LoinduFroid wrote: ↑27 July 2025, 15:34
I'll clarify a little, by my “friendly mode” you need to understand the game only with your friends in your own sandbox under your own rules.
Also, please clarify whether points are awarded in "friendly mode"? In friendly mode, people are too lazy to create games. This is not a popular direction.
no awards, and u are wrong its easy to find someone for “friendly game” , i do so when need to test something.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 19 August 2025, 23:35
by VinzMm
*post removed by moderators for insults.
Please do not use the Forums to call out specific tables or players by name, this is what the Moderation Reports are for. The Forums should remain a general discussion.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 20 August 2025, 00:43
by Ceaseless
VinzMm wrote: ↑19 August 2025, 23:35
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Or we can just report your post instead, and upvote blockers.
Please do not promote cheating.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 20 August 2025, 00:45
by VinzMm
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Please do not use the Forums to call out specific tables or players by name, this is what the Moderation Reports are for. The Forums should remain a general discussion.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 20 August 2025, 00:49
by VinzMm
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Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 20 August 2025, 01:57
by Suoivax
VinzMm wrote: ↑20 August 2025, 00:49
Ceaseless wrote: ↑20 August 2025, 00:43
VinzMm wrote: ↑19 August 2025, 23:35
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Cheating referring to people who try to enforce rules that dont exist.
like no blocking.
its not a rule.
trying to enforce a rule that doesnt exist is cheating.
plus your posts are breaking a number of forum rules.
Re: Can we Have Option for Block/No Blocking Games for People Who Hate SABOTAGE Players?
Posted: 20 August 2025, 02:42
by VinzMm
Sorry this is not cheating, open a dictionary
Also, I'm not "trying to enforce a rule", where do you see that ? Learn to read. I'm inviting people to blacklist unfair players with unfair moves that ruin the experience of the game. If you are happy to do such moves and play with such players, feel free to not block them. Democracy. But maybe others would like to know who do that to avoid them... Read OP (and maybe other replies, haven't read the rest of the thread), it's quite clear how annoying it is.