Page 1 of 1

Win number Counter, trophies and gift points in games that result in a Tie

Posted: 26 March 2018, 10:46
by Silene
I think the win counter and according trophies and gift points are counted somewhat strange.

These Variables are affected:
  • Number of total games and number of wins (which are shown for every game on a player's profile)
  • Winning trophies (first victory, number of victory, most victories etc.)
  • 5 Gift points for first victory and the display of the according message in "recent activity"
What it should be like (my opinion):
  1. a tie where you beat at least one other player (i.e. remis in chess or tie in other 2-player-games are excluded) or shared win in cooperative games like hanabi (where all win or all lose)
    --> these should be in victory counter (number of wins), give according trophies (for x wins) and give 5 gift points on first win
  2. When a game was not played to the end (a player has quit or got expelled or game was abandoned - not talking about conceded games which are correctly finished games!)
    --> this should never count as a win (nor give any gift points). (I know this might be bad for the player who "would have won" but at least there is partial ELO gain and also the quitting player gets punished in ELO and Karma)
  3. In cooperative games (Hanabi) an abandoned game should be punished by ELO loss of -10 (like a bombed game) because people are excessively (like 20-30% of their total games) abandoning to avoid ELO loss (to those who are only casually abandoning with honorable reasons the -10 is not a big deal).
What it's actually like (correct me if I'm wrong at some point):
  • Ties count towards number of wins (good)
  • Ties do not count for winning trophies nor for Gift points (not even in team game where it's not possible at all to win alone)
  • Unfinished (a player quit) games grant win trophies (very strange!) but do not count towards game counter (ok)

Re: Win number Counter, trophies and gift points in games that result in a Tie

Posted: 26 March 2018, 10:55
by Silene
These are some bug reports which are related:
https://en.boardgamearena.com/#!bug?id=453
https://en.boardgamearena.com/#!bug?id=3234
https://en.boardgamearena.com/#!bug?id=3990

(There might be a difference concerning the question wether your "first win" was in a correctly ended game or not. Seems like the win counter for medals and absolute wins are kinda getting out of sync due to unfinished games...)

Re: Win number Counter, trophies and gift points in games that result in a Tie

Posted: 25 May 2018, 13:27
by Silene
Due to my recent try to getting a win in different games, I noticed there is still no possibility to get the 5 gift points and the player-profile-message "... wins game-x for the first time..." for games you can never win alone like: Hanabi, Belote, Carribean-All-4s, KQJ (any other?) because you always play in a team and can never win un-tied.

Is there ane chance to change the system how "first win" is evaluated?