Unfair rules at draw games

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LuxuryJesper
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Unfair rules at draw games

Post by LuxuryJesper » 06 October 2019, 14:39

What I don't get about draws, is that it isn't actually a tie, since the weak player of the two gets points, while the strong player loses points. In other words; the weak player actually benefits from a game, where there is no winner! While the strong player get's punished, by simple being better. Actually, the weak player can do everything in his/her power to destroy the game, and benefit from it. It's a disgrace, and you should change it immediately.

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by RicardoRix » 07 October 2019, 14:16

Are you trying to say that if you draw in chess against Magnus Carlsen then that doesn't mean anything?

I think if all you ever did was draw in chess against Magnus Carlsen then that would mean you have a very simlar if not equal ELO rating as Magnus Carlsen.

The other way of looking at it, is if you are a higher rated player, then prove it. Beat the lower rated player, don't just draw with them.

Also, the game is a still a tie.

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by Romain672 » 09 October 2019, 20:02

What could be changed anyway is adding a variable on each game who try to have the % of draw.

That way, if he game have a lot of draw, you will gain or loss less elo than a game with few draw.

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by LuxuryJesper » 22 May 2020, 20:00

RicardoRix wrote:
07 October 2019, 14:16
Are you trying to say that if you draw in chess against Magnus Carlsen then that doesn't mean anything?

I think if all you ever did was draw in chess against Magnus Carlsen then that would mean you have a very simlar if not equal ELO rating as Magnus Carlsen.

The other way of looking at it, is if you are a higher rated player, then prove it. Beat the lower rated player, don't just draw with them.

Also, the game is a still a tie.
I mainly play Nine Men's Morris, but yes, this should apply to all games, where a draw is an option - no matter who the opponent is.

No one is supposed to "prove" anything. When you start a game, it's supposed to be from scratch, from zero. But, if one of the players have an advantage even before the game starts, then the game isn't equal.

Not in regards to points. No one should benefit from not winning

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by LuxuryJesper » 22 May 2020, 20:03

Romain672 wrote:
09 October 2019, 20:02
What could be changed anyway is adding a variable on each game who try to have the % of draw.

That way, if he game have a lot of draw, you will gain or loss less elo than a game with few draw.
Nahh. You can't put a percentage on this. It's subjective.

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by aesche » 23 May 2020, 01:02

Referring to Nine Men‘s Morris too, I strongly agree that draws should not lead to a point loss for the player with higher ELO! OP said everything relevant, it’s just wrong as it is currently. Also, like we just can see in Connect 4, this is possible to implement!

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Re: Unfair rules at draw games

Post by aesche » 19 June 2020, 09:29

I created a suggestion to get this fixed! Please vote it up!

https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=19514

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