Ruinieren des Spiels von Experten.

[alfi]

Es gibt ganze menge von Spielern, die ein Spiel extra ruinieren. Sie machen extra drei Fehler, um das Spiel zu beenden.

Dafür können unterschiedliche Gründe sein:
- Du schreibst etwas in Chat. Selbst der Fakt, dass du die Chat-Option nutzt, macht sie wütend. Wobei die Konversation in diesem Spiel sehr wichtig ist und man kan dadurch viel lernen. Ich frage mich nur, ob sie vom Anfang an perfekt gespielt haben und nie etwas Neues dank den anderen Leuten im Chat gelern haben.
- Du machst ein Fehler, weil sie dir einen schlechten hinweis geben. Sie akzeptiren nicht, dass sie auch ein Fehler machen können. Bei der ersten Möglichkeit, möchten sie dir hinweisen, dass du überhaupt nichts verstehst und nur sie spielen richtig.
- Du machst selbst ein Fehler, weil es halt einfach menschlich ist, mal ein Fehler zu machen.
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Die geschicktere warten bis du mit einer Sekunde deine Denkzeit überschreitest, um dich raus zu schmeißen.

Nach meiner Erfahrung machen das nur Speler mit einem Experten Niveau 500+. Viele Hanabi Experten sind leider sehr arrogant und halten sich für Götter. Natürlich nicht alle.

Geht's nur mir so?

Ich bedanke mich sehr bei den Spielern, die gerne ihre Erfahrung mit anderen Leuten teilen! <3

[Metalfreak80]

Hey alfi,

I only experienced 1 game where the other player intentionally play wrong cards to end the game. I think it was because I refused to accept to end the game. I do however had multiple occasions of high ranked players immediately asking to end the game, once a perfect game (25points) was no longer possible, either by a fault or just bad luck with the cards. Just to avoid losing ELO points.

Another thing that surprised me in the beginning, when I had zero of low ELO, was that I got a massive amount of rejects from high ranked players, not willing to even start the game. Only 1 or 2 actually played and gave some advise on the extra strategy rules.
Now that I'm more experienced, I can understand it's sometimes a burden to play with low ELO players when they don't understand the usual strategy.

I think this all comes from the definition of how ELO points are given in this game. Higher ranked players have little to gain but much to lose. And playing with "newbies" only increases the chance of losing ELO points.

[GeraldineMerida]

I've had this too, and from at least one player whose rank was only in the low 300s. She obviously considered herself an expert, however.

I especially hate the ultimata to end the game early or be hit with a triple misfire.

[Travis Hall]

There are players who inflate their rating through abandoning games that aren’t going well. Some wait until the game is one turn from finishing, and then ask to abandon. It’s far from all masters, though. You should do as I do, and red thumb those who do this (and especially those who deliberately misfire, or force someone out of the game when their clock runs out during a legitimate problem that prevents them from playing). That way you don’t have to deal with them any more, and they get gradually ostracised by the community.

On the other hand, though, you should take steps to manage the level of games you enter, and to improve your play to the point where you can participate properly in master-level games if you wish to play such games. Because the fact is that skill build on skill in Hanabi. If you’re playing in a game using advanced techniques, and you don’t know them, you’re going to misfire a lot, and everyone is going to get frustrated. Learn to finesse before you learn to bluff, learn to bluff before you learn to trash bluff, and so on.

My approach, when learning the game, was to join games started by players no more than 200 rating points above. At the lower levels, I stuck to games started by players only one rank above me, because that kept me within that 200 point limit (as each band is 100 points, so if I’m at the bottom of my rank, and they’re at the top of their’s, the difference is still no more than 200 points). Expert is a 200 point band, though, so once I hit expert, I stuck to games started by experts until my rating was over 600.

And if you’ve been getting your rating up by playing a lot of 2-player, don’t expect the skills to transfer. A lot of the strongest 4-player techniques are not possible in 2-player. If you want to play expert-level multiplayer, make sure you get some lower-level experience first.

Now that I am a fairly high-rated master, I restrict my games to experts. I could probably justify restricting to masters now, in fact, but I generally allow experts to allow them the opportunity to improve their play.

I could open games for lower-rated players, but if I did, I’d open them in training mode, because I’d be doing it specifically to train others. Is that really what you want? Because I’d do it. You’d be expected to hear me talk during the game about why a move is good or bad, etc, of course.

[Signy33]

It all comes down to Elo. Experts and masters will lose a lot when they don't get a perfect score and earn little when they do (if the other players are experts or masters too).
When playing with lower Elo players, they get more Elo for a perfect score but they also take more risk. By giving up when there's a mistake, they negate that risk. I personnally think it's cheating and will only accept if the majority has and we genuinely cannot recover from these mistakes (28-29 is acceptable to me in these conditions).
Like Travis said, it's better to play around one's own level.

You'll still encounter mean players who don't accept any mistakes (but their own) and you should report them if their behaviour is against the rules.
The "wait until you're just out of time to kick you out" is the most frustrating in my opinion. I'm not typically a fast player, but when somebody is clearly intolerant of any mistakes, i tend to slow down even more to be sure of my move.
I don't give a red thumb unless somebody is really insulting or bombing on purpose, but i write a personnal comment on them to remember them later and avoid them if i'm not in the mood.

[Jellby]

There's another side to abandoning a game. It's not only about ELO.

We play to have fun, and some challenge. Sometimes, when a player makes rookie mistakes, it really kills a lot of the fun. You start questioning whether you should trust this player (at least for this particular game). And what's worse, often the chat starts to fire up with discussions about "do you know finesse?" and the like, which leads to at least two undesirable outcomes: (1) People get offended and get mad at each other, or (2) Additional clues are given in the chat (note that just by saying "???" you're giving some clue). Both cases are a reason for calling an abandon in my book, and it's not because of the ELO. An early "stupid" mistake, like a misclick, is also a valid reason for abandoning in my opinion.

[qwertasdfg]

There's another side to abandoning a game. It's not only about ELO.

We play to have fun, and some challenge. Sometimes, when a player makes rookie mistakes, it really kills a lot of the fun. You start questioning whether you should trust this player (at least for this particular game). And what's worse, often the chat starts to fire up with discussions about "do you know finesse?" and the like, which leads to at least two undesirable outcomes: (1) People get offended and get mad at each other, or (2) Additional clues are given in the chat (note that just by saying "???" you're giving some clue). Both cases are a reason for calling an abandon in my book, and it's not because of the ELO. An early "stupid" mistake, like a misclick, is also a valid reason for abandoning in my opinion.

exactly the opposite. this game is about adapting to the other players. so when someone does a rookie mistake or seems to not know finesse or some other moves then it shows you that you should clue differently.

And that process of having to adapt and seeing how a group can do that is a big fun part. so when some players have that abandoning request just when it gets interesting, THAT's what killing the fun