2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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FaintBlueGlow
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2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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Hello BGA Hanabi experts!
I typically play 2 player Hanabi with either Avalanche of Colors or Black Powder with a few RL friends. Recently, we've been trying to raise the challenge by playing both Black Powder and Avalanche simultaneously. So far I've found that the hand size of 5 cards, or perhaps the number of clue tokens starting at 8, is just a little too tight. In a normal 2 player Black Powder or Avalanche game I find that we generally have to work hard but we can do well on most deals if we play very carefully, and if we mess up by more than 1 or 2 points it's our fault for communicating poorly. But if we try to play with both turned on at once then it seems like we really need to get lucky with the order of the deck-- otherwise we inevitably end up with too many unique cards like 5s cluttering up our hands and not enough clues to survive until we can get ourselves unstuck.

I wanted to see if anyone else had thoughts or experience to share. We mostly play online here, but on the rare occasions when I'm playing in-person with friends we'd be up for trying out some rules variations to make this particular combination work better, like expanding the hand size to 6 or adding 2 clue tokens. Anyone think that sounds like an interesting road to explore, or would that break the game by making it too easy? I really enjoy the challenge of deciphering semi-ambiguous clues, so I want to pile on the complexity if possible. But I don't so much love getting halfway through a game and saying, well, yup, our hands filled up with (non-black) 5s before we got enough 1s and 2s and there's nothing clever we can do to get around that.

Thanks for sharing any ideas!

(This is my first post on the BGA forums, so please be kind if I make any etiquette mistakes!)
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aesche
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Re: 2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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I strongly agree that 2p with 5 card hand and both 6th colour and black powder mostly requires lucky draws to get to perfect score. Much more reasoanable with 6 card hand. I‘d say that most ppl playing the former belong to the group that abandons 9 out of 10 games because they dont end perfect.
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Re: 2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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You can play with 6-card hands online (unofficial variant). I suggest you play with flamboyant 5s too, it will allow you to discard a couple of 5s and hope to get them back later.
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Re: 2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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Thanks so much, it never occurred to me to check the "unofficial variants" options. We'll try 6 cards and then probably also flamboyants.
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Re: 2 player Black Powder + Avalanche: too tight?

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Yes, me and my group plays 2-player Avalanche+BP with 6 cards, we never abandon, and hit 30 about 40% of the time, and hit 28+ about 80% of the time. This feels right to keep it fun for us.

Also, I think in many ways Avalanche opens up a lot more chances to save cards and while it some ways it is harder, I think overall it actually makes a 30 more doable. The extra MC 1s are rough though, they always seem to appear at the worst times.
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