Board Game Arena

I play a lot of dice forge arena. I try to maximize my time when playing by making games as short as possible. I recently have gotten into the habit of conceding as soon as I realize I am in an unwinnable position. I just had someone scold me saying it is bad form to concede before scoring. Granted it was literally my last turn in the game, but I realized there was nothing I could do to win. I have also conceded turn 5/9 because I likewise realized I was in an unwinnable position.

What do you guys think? Am I showing poor form? I treat it like chess. It would be bad manners to continue playing when you know you have lost in chess. Conceding should be the model form when playing arena but that's my opinon.

i find it a bit bad form when conceding very late - like 30sek before game would end normally. when having almost finished the game regularly, i also want to see the end score.

but i don't mind any conceding earlier as it saves time and i see it as honorably admitting defeat. on the last turn not so honorably.

Silene wrote: ↑12 September 2021, 16:37 i find it a bit bad form when conceding very late - like 30sek before game would end normally. when having almost finished the game regularly, i also want to see the end score.

but i don't mind any conceding earlier as it saves time and i see it as honorably admitting defeat. on the last turn not so honorably.

I'm confused, does conceding before final scoring somehow change the ELO or arena bonus for winning?

SteveV wrote: ↑12 September 2021, 23:24
I'm confused, does conceding before final scoring somehow change the ELO or arena bonus for winning?

Not at all. But some people like going through the process of seeing final score tallying.

NoelfromNY wrote: ↑13 September 2021, 06:15

SteveV wrote: ↑12 September 2021, 23:24
I'm confused, does conceding before final scoring somehow change the ELO or arena bonus for winning?

Not at all. But some people like going through the process of seeing final score tallying.

Not usually but there have been occasional players who either try to abandon games or persistently offer draws in lost positions. This has been magnified by the way conspiracy theorists on the forums tend to focus in on the potential for bad practice (just look at the persistent threads about the dice being rigged or cheating). The result is that you see some spill over of ill-will between one and the other. In a competitive 1v1 environment conceding should be the normal behaviour, as it is in Chess, but the internet breaks down some of the socialisation that creates etiquette in face to face tournaments for dedicated hobby games, and so you will always encounter some push back at the edges.

NoelfromNY wrote: ↑12 September 2021, 14:33 I play a lot of dice forge arena. I try to maximize my time when playing by making games as short as possible. I recently have gotten into the habit of conceding as soon as I realize I am in an unwinnable position. I just had someone scold me saying it is bad form to concede before scoring. Granted it was literally my last turn in the game, but I realized there was nothing I could do to win. I have also conceded turn 5/9 because I likewise realized I was in an unwinnable position.

What do you guys think? Am I showing poor form? I treat it like chess. It would be bad manners to continue playing when you know you have lost in chess. Conceding should be the model form when playing arena but that's my opinon.

(1) It depends on waiting time. I'd be quite pissed if after 10min of waiting, the game ended in 5min because of an early conceding from the other player. Last time I've checked Dice Forge, waiting time were quite low so that's not a concern here.

(2) To compare to chess, imagine the following: You're in a competition in which, after every chess game, the arbiter has a small talk where he congratulates the winner, and show to everyone what exactly was at the core of their victory. Unless one player conceded, in which case this congratulation phase is skipped and the winner only has a small paper with the result. You'd probably understand if some players were pissed at their adversary conceding, since it stoles their ceremony. While other players would be glad of having their opponent concede, since they consider this ceremony is a waste of time.
[In case that's not clear, the "ceremony" here is when all the cards bought are slowly revealed]

(3) A lot of peoples don't play arena with a truly "competitive mind". They still play for the game itself. And some peoples truly enjoy the end of a winning game. They have the satisfaction of playing with an engine that runs perfectly. To take another comparison, here with sports: In the case of a Marathon (and assuming only the first place matters), should the competition stop as soon as every player but one has conceded (assuming one player clearly first), or should the remaining player be allowed to continue up until the finish line to see how well they did (comparatively to their other tries)?

I see where you're coming from, but I also understand why others would be pissed of. We're kind of in a case of cultural misunderstanding, as peoples come from different micro-cultures (usual from their IRL boardgame group) and disagree on what is good form / bad form.

When I play IRL, the unwritten convention we have in our micro-culture is that the clear loser signifies through off-comments that they don't think they still have a chance to win (or to improve their ranking, if there is more than 2p), and the winner is the one to suggest "Shall we stop here then?" once they consider they were fulfilled enough by this winning game.