Use "you have no X" to indicate next player to play his/her Xth card from right

[Malo77]

Hello

Here is my idea for a small additional rule to extend Hanabi Conventions :
use "you have no X" to indicate next player to play his/her Xth card from the right

When you are not forced to clue (no 8 tokens, no full hand, no flamb activated)
you can tell next player to play his/her Xth card from the right
by cluing anybody: "you have no X"

This message is only for next player

When forced to clue standard meaning applies (no specific meaning, just helps deductions).

This is a small tool to help, not much complicated to introduce with your favourite convention.

Play from the right can be usefull as we have already plenty of play leftmost conventions.

This works well in some situation and with many players/smaller nb of cards in hand.

Maybe someone already used this ? or had the same idea ?

[Travis Hall]

I’d suggest you start paying attention to the useful information that can already be conveyed with an empty number clue, instead.

[Wreckage]

I’d suggest you start paying attention to the useful information that can already be conveyed with an empty number clue, instead.

If you do decide to use it, I'd suggest getting rid of the "next player only" restriction. No reason you can't do it farther away and get the finesse out of it too.

[Malo77]

I’d suggest you start paying attention to the useful information that can already be conveyed with an empty number clue, instead.

If you do decide to use it, I'd suggest getting rid of the "next player only" restriction. No reason you can't do it farther away and get the finesse out of it too.

The point is the message is for next player only, but let you give the neg clue to any player , so you have more choice and flexibility in the neg number clue you give to select the right card slot. Next player could not have the "right" neg number at the right time.

As neg number clue does not seems so often used, the extra meaning "play X" could be a nice addition ?

Do you think it may be more usefull than the "simple neg clue" without extra meaning ?
Or the simple neg clue is too valuable/usefull to evolve it ?

[Jellby]

I see no logic, just an arbitrary assigned meaning, so I don't think I'll like it.

Other "conventions" arise from logic. It doesn't mean that they are the only possibility, but I see how the can be deduced almost from scratch:
- Play left: A new clue probably points at your newest card.
- Number for save: At the beginning (without black powder), only 5s need to be saved, so any 5 on chop is a save... extrapolate to numbers.

[Blacktango]

This could be useful, but I'm not sure that it's easy to know how blank a clue is.
Is it just a neg information? Does it mean to play?

Also, sometimes I just need to stall, because I want the player after me to actually give the clue (allowing a bluff, or preventing them from discarding), then I just "waste" a token because it's worth more than skipping or discarding myself (and lock my hand).

I agree with Jelby, it's a pure convention with no logical basis, so it's harder to spread to the community, because it's not intuitive.

[Wreckage]

I didn't mean to quote Travis in my last post. I must have done that by accident. My statement doesn't really reply to his.

This couldn't be spread to the community, it would only work with a group that has agreed to it.

I think blank means play chop card is more useful, and has more applications. For instance, if you received a blank clue at start, you would know you are playing a 1, or a black 5. Very handy instead of a 1 clue, that hits chop, and then giving a color later to tell them it plays.

A blank to someone who's not the next player can be used for finesse, but can't be a bluff or reverse. So if another player plays, the player with the blank clue would know exactly what card they are playing.

A blank clue meaning "play" is VERY powerful, being able to pick a specific card out of a hand with several trash cards you'd like to avoid.

[Wreckage]

Other "conventions" arise from logic. It doesn't mean that they are the only possibility, but I see how the can be deduced almost from scratch:
- Play left: A new clue probably points at your newest card.
- Number for save: At the beginning (without black powder), only 5s need to be saved, so any 5 on chop is a save... extrapolate to numbers.
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I think a lot of people would agree with this. If a clue means "programmed" play, the game loses some elegance, because part of the fun is to deduce what card you have, not to play it blindly.So, you could agree that a blank clue means save a card. Then you are not playing it blindly, and while holding it, you may deduce what it is at some point. I think this could be considered something created out of basic logic. They are telling you something about your hand.

This would be handy to save a single card, when they have multiple cards of that number you'd rather not keep.