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Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 13 September 2023, 22:45
by Mathew5000
"Red Thumbs are now advisory only, causing no Karma drop"
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 56#p153856

Does that simply mean that "private red thumbs" cause no karma drop? Or does it apply to all red thumbs? Was this change previously announced, and if so can someone point me to any additional clarification from the people who run BGA?

Re: Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 13 September 2023, 23:17
by Meeplelowda
Mathew5000 wrote: 13 September 2023, 22:45 "Red Thumbs are now advisory only, causing no Karma drop"
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 56#p153856

Does that simply mean that "private red thumbs" cause no karma drop? Or does it apply to all red thumbs? Was this change previously announced, and if so can someone point me to any additional clarification from the people who run BGA?
Private red thumbs did not previously affect karma, so the only way the use of "now" makes sense is if public red thumbs no longer affect karma.

Re: Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 15 September 2023, 00:12
by GeraldineMerida
And no, this change does not seem to have been publicly announced, probably because BGA knew how unhappy many users would be with this change.

Re: Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 15 September 2023, 00:22
by Ze Monstah
GeraldineMerida wrote: 15 September 2023, 00:12 And no, this change does not seem to have been publicly announced, probably because BGA knew how unhappy many users would be with this change.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 9&start=60
Isn't the Release-Summaries-part of the Forum, Public?
Or you meant you wanted it to also be in the Official Announcements?
I was under a probably vague impression, that the Official Announcements were for: New Games and New Arena Seasons. I might be wrong.

Re: Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 15 September 2023, 01:50
by Meeplelowda
Ze Monstah wrote: 15 September 2023, 00:22
GeraldineMerida wrote: 15 September 2023, 00:12 And no, this change does not seem to have been publicly announced, probably because BGA knew how unhappy many users would be with this change.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 9&start=60
Isn't the Release-Summaries-part of the Forum, Public?
Or you meant you wanted it to also be in the Official Announcements?
I was under a probably vague impression, that the Official Announcements were for: New Games and New Arena Seasons. I might be wrong.
I assume GeraldineMerida is aware of the Release Summaries which was linked to by the OP and meant it was not publicly announced before it was implemented nor was there a warning that it was even being considered. Once it's in Release Summaries it's a done deal.

Re: Change to karma effect of red thumbs (BGA release summaries, 13 Sept. 2023)

Posted: 15 September 2023, 02:01
by Ze Monstah
Meeplelowda wrote: 15 September 2023, 01:50
Ze Monstah wrote: 15 September 2023, 00:22
GeraldineMerida wrote: 15 September 2023, 00:12 And no, this change does not seem to have been publicly announced, probably because BGA knew how unhappy many users would be with this change.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 9&start=60
Isn't the Release-Summaries-part of the Forum, Public?
Or you meant you wanted it to also be in the Official Announcements?
I was under a probably vague impression, that the Official Announcements were for: New Games and New Arena Seasons. I might be wrong.
I assume GeraldineMerida is aware of the Release Summaries which was linked to by the OP and meant it was not publicly announced before it was implemented nor was there a warning that it was even being considered. Once it's in Release Summaries it's a done deal.
Oh, ok... :s
But when was this thing implemented? It couldn't have been waaaay before the Summaries Entry, right?
I guess I try to empathize with you and understand the complaints; because for me, it is not such a big deal.
I explained more why, rather objectively, on the other post about this.

I feel like a lot of people think that the Karma Drop stayed at 60% or 30%, until a 10%/20% Public RT Threshold was reverted or something - which was not true.

So I don't personally understand why people are so upset about this... About an occasional Reputation Drop to 60%, that could be solved with 40 fast games? :?
Realistically speaking, that's the only thing that changed from before.
Before the previous Threshold System (waaay back, until 2018 I think), Reputations were pinned to 60% or 30% or whatever, and could only be "unrestricted" if the Public RT Threshold reverted; then, BGA (understandably) changed that way, to the previous one, when Reps. weren't pinned, but Karma Drop still happened once a threshold was met; and now they changed to this one.

So basically... not much of a difference from the previous system; am I missing something? :cry: