Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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RazorOz
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Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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Hi,

So I've started this discussion on BGG believing how it's currently implemented is correct, but one of the play testers of the game who has played with the designers there is disputing how this interaction currently works is correct. I'm sort of hoping the designers who are active on BGG will eventually chime in, but have BGA had specific confirmation around this interaction and whether it's correct.

So you can play Gas Pedal 4 in the React step, and if you don't have the heat to play for it, in effect it turns into a free boost instead, that in itself already feels a bit icky and against the spirit of the game, but you can actually game this further. If you have 1 heat to play with, either already in your engine, or using Gas Pedal 4's cooldown, you can use that heat to boost, then say I can't pay Gas Pedal 4's heat and in effect get another boost. Which can be pretty big, especially if you know your big cards are in deck.

The playtester on BGG is disputing this is correct. They are basically saying that when you can't pay the heat to an upgrade, it negates all other effects of the upgrade. In the specific case of Gas Pedal 4 this would negate the ability to Direct Play it at all, meaning you can't play it as a free boost, and would have to backtrack and put it back in your hand.
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Re: Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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RazorOz wrote: 19 January 2024, 17:29 Hi,

So I've started this discussion on BGG believing how it's currently implemented is correct, but one of the play testers of the game who has played with the designers there is disputing how this interaction currently works is correct. I'm sort of hoping the designers who are active on BGG will eventually chime in, but have BGA had specific confirmation around this interaction and whether it's correct.

So you can play Gas Pedal 4 in the React step, and if you don't have the heat to play for it, in effect it turns into a free boost instead, that in itself already feels a bit icky and against the spirit of the game, but you can actually game this further. If you have 1 heat to play with, either already in your engine, or using Gas Pedal 4's cooldown, you can use that heat to boost, then say I can't pay Gas Pedal 4's heat and in effect get another boost. Which can be pretty big, especially if you know your big cards are in deck.

The playtester on BGG is disputing this is correct. They are basically saying that when you can't pay the heat to an upgrade, it negates all other effects of the upgrade. In the specific case of Gas Pedal 4 this would negate the ability to Direct Play it at all, meaning you can't play it as a free boost, and would have to backtrack and put it back in your hand.
Please read the pinned thread, it's explaining in full length that whole topic that boils down to : the rulebook is not complete. So it's not about whether it's the correct way or not not since it's just not rule out. We made one decision to fill-in the rulebook that was ok for DoW so that's how it's going to be on BGA, with the pros and cons it implies.
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Re: Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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Tisaac wrote: 20 January 2024, 00:28 Please read the pinned thread, it's explaining in full length that whole topic that boils down to : the rulebook is not complete. So it's not about whether it's the correct way or not not since it's just not rule out. We made one decision to fill-in the rulebook that was ok for DoW so that's how it's going to be on BGA, with the pros and cons it implies.
Do any unpaid upgrades that turn into stress count for the purpose of accelerate under the system on BGA?
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Re: Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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RazorOz wrote: 20 January 2024, 03:01
Tisaac wrote: 20 January 2024, 00:28 Please read the pinned thread, it's explaining in full length that whole topic that boils down to : the rulebook is not complete. So it's not about whether it's the correct way or not not since it's just not rule out. We made one decision to fill-in the rulebook that was ok for DoW so that's how it's going to be on BGA, with the pros and cons it implies.
Do any unpaid upgrades that turn into stress count for the purpose of accelerate under the system on BGA?
Hum no idea, i would need to check the code.
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Re: Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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I now feel like I've been playing really badly by not playing the gas pedal when I don't have the heat to pay for it. Thanks for the tip!

I do agree it does seem very icky though...
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Re: Gas Pedal 4 and I can't pay my heat questionable rules interaction

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From reading v1.1 of the rules it does feel like the cards flipped from not being able to pay the heat for you upgrades shouldn't count towards accelerate. As the upgrade doesn't literally turn into a stress card, it just mimics one, it doesn't actually have a + symbol. I have no idea if that is how it is implemented on BGA though.
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