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Hagardunor
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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Nastaa wrote: 26 October 2023, 19:52 ...
I think maybe you are clicking on a tile instead of a card. Cards from your hand should be under the map (not included in your screenshot), unlike your tiles that are on the player's info in the right of your screen.
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Yes this was the problem. Now I can run to the end wuithout other problem.

However, I think there should be one comment early in the tutorial explaining what are cards and what they are used for (and recommending to scroll down to find them). Yyou have warned at the beginning of the tutorial that it may be necessary sometimes to scroll downl, but I think it would be better to ask for scrolling down at each very moment when it is necessary (I had some trouble to find the table of transport means). May be I am not used to tutorials enough and do not think to scroll when it is necessary to do so
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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Hagardunor wrote: 27 October 2023, 23:18 However, I think there should be one comment early in the tutorial explaining what are cards and what they are used for (and recommending to scroll down to find them). Yyou have warned at the beginning of the tutorial that it may be necessary sometimes to scroll downl, but I think it would be better to ask for scrolling down at each very moment when it is necessary (I had some trouble to find the table of transport means). May be I am not used to tutorials enough and do not think to scroll when it is necessary to do so
Changing a tutorial will erase the translations so that it has to be translated again into all languages. You can see this in the FAQ https://boardgamearena.com/tutorialfaq slide 25. That's the reason why tutorials are not open to translation before they are confirmed. I would therefore not recommend changing the tutorial, if this is a single case.
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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cigma wrote: 28 October 2023, 12:32 .... I would therefore not recommend changing the tutorial, if this is a single case.
I was not really asking for that. It was just a feedback from my personal experience. Developers have the information, they can of course make now a decision of their own :)
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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This is a frequent lock issue in tutorials.
This happens when the game is not completely compatible with tutorial actions.
I'd recommend skipping steps by 'Continue' buttons as these lock bugs are really irritating.

cigma wrote: 28 October 2023, 12:32
Unless the texts are different, translated texts will still stay translated even if the tutorial is replaced into another one.
Editing a completed tutorial slightly is not a big deal.
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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ufm wrote: 28 October 2023, 17:14
cigma wrote: 28 October 2023, 12:32
Unless the texts are the same, translated texts will still stay translated even if the tutorial is replaced into another one.
Editing a completed tutorial slightly is not a big deal.
As I said in another thread, my experience was different.
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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cigma wrote: 28 October 2023, 17:18 As I said in another thread, my experience was different.
This is supposed to work this way and in fact it works.
While updating 3 games I replaced their tutorials and confirmed the translation being kept if the strings were intact.
Also, there have been tons of small changes in stable tutorials.
If your assumptions were true a whole bunch of tutorial translations should have been undone, but in fact only added/changed texts were available for translation.

For example: https://boardgamearena.com/translation? ... all&page=4
Yahtzee tutorial has been rewritten recently by the same author with a different replay.
However, you can still find translations from 2022.
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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@Hagardunor
It looks to me that you suggest me to do for the cards exactly how it is already done: https://imgur.com/a/hdjzYLL, so I take it as a compliment ;)

Based on your feedback I decided to add a remark to help find the summary. I will not insert a remark every time someone may need to minimize the comment or scroll to see something, because as I say it is too dependent on screen size and would mean having these remarks on almost every single comment.

Just to clarify, generally the author of the tutorial and the developer of the game are not the same person, such as here.
And for example the first comment (that gives tips) is there by default (BGA tutorial framework), it's not something I can control as a tutorial maker.

I hope this experience hasn't put you off the game or the tutorials.

@ufm
I would have set the actions to continue if required (although for me it kind of loose the point of the tutorial, because without interactivity then a video or reading the rulebook would have been fine), but here the tutorial does not look itself. I actually find this game very good concerning this aspect because when you misclick it does not lock, so you don't have to restart the tuto to finish it.

In my experience also slight modifications to a published tutorial does not mean having to retranslate everything.

@cigma
For me the goal of the translation is to improve user experience, not to reduce translation efforts. I am aware that changing a published tutorial may imply translation work in every language, so I do it carefully, but I think improving the tutorial with the feedback I receive is more important.
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Re: Elfenland : can't go through the tutorial

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Nastaa wrote: 31 October 2023, 18:06 @Hagardunor
It looks to me that you suggest me to do for the cards exactly how it is already done: https://imgur.com/a/hdjzYLL, so I take it as a compliment ;)

Based on your feedback I decided to add a remark to help find the summary. I will not insert a remark every time someone may need to minimize the comment or scroll to see something, because as I say it is too dependent on screen size and would mean having these remarks on almost every single comment.

Just to clarify, generally the author of the tutorial and the developer of the game are not the same person, such as here.
And for example the first comment (that gives tips) is there by default (BGA tutorial framework), it's not something I can control as a tutorial maker.

I hope this experience hasn't put you off the game or the tutorials.

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Fine for me :)
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